Concerned... Where are the Alliance twinks???
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werk
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You are really good at arguing based on...absolutely no information whatsoever.
And by really good, I mean basically terrible at arguing.
Warglave
Veteran
Everything I've said pertains to my experience over the years as a sub-60 PvP participant.
Nothing you said refers to that. All you keep doing is offering things that have nothing at all to do with my original statement whatsoever... for some unknown reason to argue some unknown cause. Alliance levelers ARE bad at PvP.
The people. The players themselves, as a whole are lesser than the horde ---> in my experience. Once more:
Nothing you said refers to that. All you keep doing is offering things that have nothing at all to do with my original statement whatsoever... for some unknown reason to argue some unknown cause. Alliance levelers ARE bad at PvP.
The people. The players themselves, as a whole are lesser than the horde ---> in my experience. Once more:
werk
Veteran
Have you actually read all of my posts in this thread? Probably not, but I dont blame you as they were basically wall of text nerdgasms (I think I even said as much). My first post in this thread was literally nothing except relating my experience in wow. My subsequent posts were applying what data I could to those experiences, which both proved and disproved my original experience/hypothesis. I did this because, in my experience: experience alone is an unreliable narrator.
Warglave
Veteran
no.... I read all the posts since you started offering endgame/faction-benefit argument against my post about levelers.
I read most of the others, just still saying that you keep talking about stuff that isn't twink stuff concerning MY posts.
Scrubhuntin
Grandfathered
lol yeah werk wish you could see all the games im in.. horde gets 2 shaman 2 druid 3 priest warrior hunter and a rogue almost every game. best we've had is 3 paladins and a priest but they were all lvl 35. i'd love to see these priests you speak of just 1 game lol.
Phrontistery
i was making waves u was surfing in 'em
the problem is probably ur playing 39s
everybody knows there is a faction discrepancy in every single bracket because of the races, if you don't - you're a moron
this discrepancy is highlighted because barely anybody twinks in your bracket so there's no incentive driving an alliance playerbase i.e. people making teams on alliance in the 19 bracket in order to play against the masses of horde twinks
everybody knows there is a faction discrepancy in every single bracket because of the races, if you don't - you're a moron
this discrepancy is highlighted because barely anybody twinks in your bracket so there's no incentive driving an alliance playerbase i.e. people making teams on alliance in the 19 bracket in order to play against the masses of horde twinks
Cheesetoast
Legend
you obviously dont play this bracket. there is 3-5 twinks each side every game with constant pops
Phrontistery
i was making waves u was surfing in 'em
LOL that's my point hahahahahahahaha 3-5 is not a lot of twinks brother
werk
Veteran
No, I cant see your games (unless I'm in one of them). But you can keep your own stats that I will read =D
Yeah, way more useful/interesting. The other guy just said something like "alliance has always been bad", so the broader statistics were all I could find to see if that was correct or not (because that's not how I remember it).
I actually stopped keeping stats after 25 games (because on one hand I'm ocd, on the other hand I have the attention span of a gnat), but I'll keep going if any of ya'll are still curious about it.
ReckoningOG
Veteran
I’ve got a couple of 19s on Herod and the twink to non twink ratio isn’t that much better. The only difference is 39s still have people lvling. I for one am still lvling a horde mage and alliance priest.
At this current state of the game it takes a lot more time to lvl and gear a 39 than it does a 19.
MYT
Legend
A 19 ally twink loses all credibility when they claim that the horde has the mass of twinks. This is likely true in 29/39/49 - don’t yet have a twink there. But 19 is definitely ally dominated, particularly group wise. I play both factions at 19 and it’s obvious when you do.
Like your view on most things on here, you’re delusional about this as well.
Outofspace
Sogeking / Deeps
Easily amused I see.
Phrontistery
i was making waves u was surfing in 'em
werk
Veteran
So I'm on around game 35 or so. Most of the stats on comps are evening out a bit. The main thing that stands out is that, on average, horde has twice as many rogues per game...and ally has twice as many druids. Winning percentage is still right around 70/30 Horde, and Alliance either wins or doesnt cap a flag at all (all but one loss were 3-0).
Anyway, I wish there was an easy way to track average group level in addition to the comps. If we were to analyze this data so far, in an effort to explain the 70% win ratio for horde and making a baseline assumption that all is equal absent evidence to the contrary: all this is really telling us is that the Horde has more Rogues and Alliance has more Druids. A part of this is accounted for, like I said, by me doing the tracking and always playing a rogue while doing so...so that has to account for at least some of the discrepancy. So some knee jerk answers could be:
1) Rogues are particularly imbalanced in WSG @ 39
2) I'm really good, and horde wins quite a bit largely because I'm playing in the game.
As for one, I think this is *possibly* true to some extent, but it's not like a team will win a game every time they have more rogues.
As for two: there's no way to really quantify this that I can think of, other than by me saying it's just not true: I'm quite confident I'm not really all that good, and there are lots of rogues playing as allies that are significantly better than I am. There's probably a game or two in there that I may have *won* for Horde in some way, but not in any way more frequently than any other semi-competent player does.
Anyway, I wish there was an easy way to track the median player level across games as I suspect that has quite a bit to do with it; as well as some way to track gear. I keep meaning to look for an addon that either does it, or that I can hack to do it or something...but I havent. I'm kinda curious to know if we'd see the same type of results in AB if it were out already, but I guess we have to wait on that.
Piffin
Grandfathered
It's easy to explain why horde wins more.They have superior racials and better gear choice generally (Nordic longshank, there are other examples).So the min maxers always choose horde.
Pugs will find it tough but a good Alli pre-made with well geared dps a dwarf priest and a paladin is stronger, due to the superior healing of the paladin in the game.
Pugs will find it tough but a good Alli pre-made with well geared dps a dwarf priest and a paladin is stronger, due to the superior healing of the paladin in the game.
Outofspace
Sogeking / Deeps
Maybe I'm just subjectively interpreting your data but it seems to reinforce my long standing 'horde mentality' theory. Pretty simple, more people who are concerned with PvP roll Horde for the racials. This self selection manifests in BGs where Horde is more likely to keep trying or rally once behind and generally have a better concept of teamwork.
But also, you as a player definitely skew the data, and you're a twink. Twinks have positive win ratios no matter what side they play on because every game there's a chance that there won't be parity on the other team, aka easy win. Most of us (I think) are in it for the balanced, hard fought games against other twinks, but for every one of those there's several easy three caps.
No real way to control for any of this, but by all means keep dumping your anecdotal data on us, it's fascinating!
Scrubhuntin
Grandfathered
battleground targets shows player levels once you are in game(gates have lifted and you are out of tunnel in range of their team) you can just click on their name and it shows(you'll have to document yourself obviously but you'll be able to on a death screen cap it for posterity)
werk
Veteran
I dont think it really says anything at all about the "horde mentality" theory, It neither proves nor disproves it. In my experience (entirely anecdotal), what you are saying is both true and untrue. Horde DOES seem to *keep playing* after falling behind, but full disclosure this has only happened once in any of the games I've tracked. I do remember it happening in games I have not though. edit: duh, I was only thinking wins. You are right, this probably explains why Horde has so many more 3-1 or 3-2 losses than Alliance. I havent really thought to track the surrender monkey quotient in losses, though, so I cant really say how big of a problem it is on horde side, and have absolutely zero idea how bad it is on the Ally side.
Also: again anecdotal, but it's always *seemed* to me that Alliance tends to do a better job of playing together as a unit in WSG, while Horde does a better job of playing individually. This is just my perception, however, and I have no real way of knowing whether or not this is actually TRUE. It's probably also due to the fact of how I play as a PUG WSG rogue: I'm almost exclusively focusing on finding/killing the EFC, when means I spend a good chunk of my time in any particular game more or less alone in or around the Ally base. For all I know the other 9 Horde may be just as turtled up as a unit on our FC while I'm doing it, but most of the time when I look at the BG map they are all spread out in the middle.
As for the last part about skewing the data: it certainly skews the group comps. I'm sure theres a formula to say exactly how much it does so, but I'm kinda assuming its by a factor of maybe .10 or so per class per round. That's true. As for how much I individually skew the data, probably not by all that much.