Cloak enchant

[Bubbletub]

16 pvp power vs 12 agility , for sub rogue , thoughts ?

 

[Honey Badger]

16 pvp power > 12 agility. But i will tell u rogues Mop are all about play style now. so its all about your own preference. ive seen rogue do well without it.

 

[CoffeePower]

Yeah, for actual dps on players, engineering cloak and spellpen wins

 

[Haste]

Quick question regarding this subject. So 12 agility gives 24 AP, crit and dodge. 24 AP converts to what, like 4 dps?

16 pvp power adds 16 on top of each hit? Does this scale with weapon speed or is it more beneficial with faster weapons.

Either way pvp power seem like its better dps, but if anyone knows how it actually works, speak up!

 

[Swoops]

I roughly broke this down for my 20 rogue: http://www.twinkinfo.com/forums/f40/16-pvp-power-40718/index2.html#post542848.

For some very rough numbers to put it in perspective:

My 20 rogue has 254 agil right now with +12 agil on a parachute cloak. With the sub agility bonus that enchant gives you ~15 agility, so without it I'd have ~239 agility.

Assuming damage scales linearly with agility (approximating for easier calculations), that'd be a 6.28% increase for me (254/239=1.0628). However, this is pure damage that doesn't factor in the baseline 40% resilience. Resil will make that a 3.77% increase against players. Additionally, rogue damage is physical and reduced by armor (FW applies after your opening Ambush). Factoring in armor and that your damage depends on your weapon also, we're probably looking at maybe a 2% increase from this enchant.

On the contrary, 16 pvp power is an unmitigated 8.71% damage increase against players for a level 20.

16 PvP Power >> 12 Agil.

Numbers would be a bit different for a 24, but the higher Agility and slightly lower PvP Power scaling balance each other out to give about the same effect.


Also, a quick search for cloak enchant in the 20-24 section comes up with multiple threads that have PvP Power in the title...those seem like good places to check first.

 

[Lil]

Swoops to add to what you said on my 24 rogue I got I believe around 4% extra dmg instead of almost 9%. So with a 24 the 16 pvp power is quite a bit less but 4% guaranteed dmg all the time>crit chances or small dpp ups

 

[Bubbletub]

will you have to replace your pre mop 20 spell pen enchant to get the proper effect or is it just a tooltip error ?
Does the 5 resistance on cloak still work or should I replace it?

 

[Haste]

+5 resist still works and the chant is GFed. so don't be replacing the chant, just get a new cloak for new chants.

 

[Bubbletub]

I also just noticed that my gnomer rings and bracer have been reduced to 5 stats from 6.

 

[Honey Badger]

Like I said depends on playstyle. As a rogue I'm just there to call out efc side, slow efcs. Especially druid efcs mostly at mid and spread crippling poison. If your looking for max damage such as an efc with 10 stack debuff , Id go double dagger , max crit with max ap NO pvp power only cloak. . Since u already getting a 10 stack damage modifier to efc. But that's my thoughts. It's completely situational. If my job is to control healer with saps while rest of the team opens up on efc . Doesn't mater on cloak enchant I'm there strictly for support. I'd reccomend having both cloaks on hand to swap.

 

[verh]

Like I said depends on playstyle. As a rogue I'm just there to call out efc side, slow efcs. Especially druid efcs mostly at mid and spread crippling poison. If your looking for max damage such as an efc with 10 stack debuff , Id go double dagger , max crit with max ap NO pvp power only cloak. . Since u already getting a 10 stack damage modifier to efc. But that's my thoughts. It's completely situational. If my job is to control healer with saps while rest of the team opens up on efc . Doesn't mater on cloak enchant I'm there strictly for support. I'd reccomend having both cloaks on hand to swap.

No, that is not what rogues are for. It was what they did in cata, but with the significant mobility and thrown nerf, and the damage buff, you are there to global things from stealth.

 

[iaccidentallytwink]

Quick question regarding this subject. So 12 agility gives 24 AP, crit and dodge. 24 AP converts to what, like 4 dps?

16 pvp power adds 16 on top of each hit? Does this scale with weapon speed or is it more beneficial with faster weapons.

Either way pvp power seem like its better dps, but if anyone knows how it actually works, speak up!

(AP/14)*WeaponSpeed = Added DPS.

 

[Fcftw]

nvm 10 chars