Kinslayer
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All data suggests that manmade climate change is real, there is absolutely no doubt about it. When we burn coal, shale gas etc carbon dioxide i released as a biproduct.
What is not so well known is whether or not that climate change is just evil and 100% bad, there are loads of benefits to a more CO2 (carbon dioxide) rich earth. Agriculture and wildlife plants which cover over 50% of the earth is benefitting greatly by man made climate change. Plants are limited by either water, minerals (Nitrogen, Phosper and kalium) or the amount of CO2.So where the plants are limited by CO2, which is alot of places the plantlife will increase also the yields of farm plants will increase because of the CO2 increase
The problem is what the change is climate means for the world, and it is a whole lot harder to predict the outcome long distance. We have trouble predicting the weather much more than a week forward, so just think about all the factors which play in to climate change that influence.
Also some of the biggest countries in the world, China and India can't develop their middleclass without the use of coal and oil. So to stop CO2 release is really not possible. Also climate change has occured naturally in the world way before humans interfered. An example is the ice age.
Interesting article about this: Freeman Dyson and global warming
What is not so well known is whether or not that climate change is just evil and 100% bad, there are loads of benefits to a more CO2 (carbon dioxide) rich earth. Agriculture and wildlife plants which cover over 50% of the earth is benefitting greatly by man made climate change. Plants are limited by either water, minerals (Nitrogen, Phosper and kalium) or the amount of CO2.So where the plants are limited by CO2, which is alot of places the plantlife will increase also the yields of farm plants will increase because of the CO2 increase
The problem is what the change is climate means for the world, and it is a whole lot harder to predict the outcome long distance. We have trouble predicting the weather much more than a week forward, so just think about all the factors which play in to climate change that influence.
Also some of the biggest countries in the world, China and India can't develop their middleclass without the use of coal and oil. So to stop CO2 release is really not possible. Also climate change has occured naturally in the world way before humans interfered. An example is the ice age.
Interesting article about this: Freeman Dyson and global warming
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Allybeboba
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It is a real hoax.
In my lifetime we have went from nothing to "global warming" and now "climate change".
It is all made up to line the pockets of companies. And it works. People believe it. The uninformed masses have been believing it.
Did you know that China just admitted they lied about their coal burning output. That lie amounts to 70% of the US coal out. Just that lie...think what their entire country is producing.
Now, 2% of the entire worlds CO2 emissions every year is caused just by volcano emissions. Just think if one was to erupt. When Mt. Pinatubo erupted in 1991 it cooled the atmosphere by 1.3 degrees.
My point is, we are insignificant when it comes to Mother Nature. The Earth has had periods of cooling and warming before. Some people are just taking advantage of other people's naivety.
I am not saying that it is bad to recycle and respect Mother Earth. But you have to take what a lot of these reports say with a grain a salt.
For instance, the "97% of scientists agree that climate change is happening" statement. That can be easily skewed. All you have to do is get 100 people ask them y/n do you think climate change is happening? Those that say no ask them to leave and bring in more. Ask the question again. Those that say no, ask them to leave. Keep going until you get your desired percentage. That is how polls work. They can be manipulated very very easily. You could go into an elementary school and ask the children there if a 55 year old person was "old" they may say yes. But you could go into an assisted living home and ask the same question and get a "no". Easily manipulated.
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In my lifetime we have went from nothing to "global warming" and now "climate change".
It is all made up to line the pockets of companies. And it works. People believe it. The uninformed masses have been believing it.
Did you know that China just admitted they lied about their coal burning output. That lie amounts to 70% of the US coal out. Just that lie...think what their entire country is producing.
Now, 2% of the entire worlds CO2 emissions every year is caused just by volcano emissions. Just think if one was to erupt. When Mt. Pinatubo erupted in 1991 it cooled the atmosphere by 1.3 degrees.
My point is, we are insignificant when it comes to Mother Nature. The Earth has had periods of cooling and warming before. Some people are just taking advantage of other people's naivety.
I am not saying that it is bad to recycle and respect Mother Earth. But you have to take what a lot of these reports say with a grain a salt.
For instance, the "97% of scientists agree that climate change is happening" statement. That can be easily skewed. All you have to do is get 100 people ask them y/n do you think climate change is happening? Those that say no ask them to leave and bring in more. Ask the question again. Those that say no, ask them to leave. Keep going until you get your desired percentage. That is how polls work. They can be manipulated very very easily. You could go into an elementary school and ask the children there if a 55 year old person was "old" they may say yes. But you could go into an assisted living home and ask the same question and get a "no". Easily manipulated.
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Tom Ganks
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They started using the term "climate change" because global warming wasn't taken seriously and was labeled as a fool's topic. That and the fact that climate change speaks for the volume of effects these things have on the earth, not just heating (although that is the main concern).
It has been proven that human activity has the larger output of CO2, where as volcanoes have been nature's polluter for billions of years. But this is a drastic change in a short period of time. You are also forgetting that we are destroying more and more forests and plantlife at a rate that will inevitably change the oxygen levels of our earth, soon to come. Deforestation = less conversion of CO2 to O2. Then we have just a bunch of CO2 build-up in our atmosphere where not enough is being utilized, thus effecting our climate. We are ALSO forgetting the rather large amounts of methane gases that come from our ever-growing landfills.
What we are doing is the equivalent of slowly giving a pet an ever-growing percentage of food. Once the pet reaches its limits, that food will remain in the food bowl, only to be covered by a new layer of food. It builds up and up until it ends up on the floor around the bowl. Then we are aware of the problem and must do something about it.
Out of the thousands upon thousands of years of intelligent human life on earth, it took all that time to reach a population of 1 billion at the turn of the 19th century. Since then, it has multiplied exponentially (up to 7.3+ billion) in only 200 years. More people leads to more deforestation and burning.
It may be very little impact at this point in time, but so is a small infection.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZT6YpCsapg
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Zatox
OG
For me personally, it's hard to say whether or not we are accelerating climate change. But climate change is definitely a thing.
spectacular and frightening all at the same time.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hC3VTgIPoGU
spectacular and frightening all at the same time.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hC3VTgIPoGU
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Tom Ganks
Guest
The problem is, people make observations against climate change based on the effects it has had within their short lifespan. It's a slow process, of course it won't show much at your doorstep within a window of 100 years. People fail to think beyond their demise. There are those who manipulate life, and those who contribute to it.
Trialkiller
Grandfathered
We need WW3 to wipe out 50% of the population and destroy world economy
Allybeboba
Legend
Nah... Just each and every American that has went to space has once lived and trained here. That is all. @ Robo, can't forget the methane from the cow farts. We have nations like China and India that are the real contributors.
China issues smog alert as climate summit gets underway - CNN.com
In California their smog is attributed to their weather. As they have very few environmentally impacting power plants. And have had California emissions on their vehicles for nearly half a century.
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Yapah
Legend
It's quite ironic that you take this stance as a resident of Texas considering the MASSIVE amounts of oil that Texas has. Some of the largeat oil companies in the world are in Texas. The only people that benefit from denying climate change are people who are associated in the oil industry one way or another. It seems like you deniers are denying to line up your own pockets (including oil companies).
Allybeboba
Legend
So you are trying to state that the ~30,000,000 people in Texas all work for oil companies simply because Texas is known for oil?
Hold on, I will be right back, I think heard my hoss winnie. She must be a hongri, I better go feed her a few oats so I can make back to my ranch today on time. Cuz I need to go fill up the Pickemuptruck over yonder so I can rustle me up some grub tonight. The little ol' lady gots to fix me ups sum vittles. Boy Heidi, have I gots me a hankerin fo sum possum pie! Mmm mm road keel... Ain't nuttin like eet.. Ma mouff ess waterin allreedi!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YD22a4APsCg
/y'all come back now!
Yapah
Legend
I never claimed that 30 million people in Texas all work for oil companies. The people who deny climate change deny it out of pure convenience, in this case it would be oil companies and the people of Texas who would get a financial gain. If you didn't know, oil generates quite a large amount of revenue for the state of Texas.
Allybeboba
Legend
And now on a more serious note, the largest portion of greenhouse gases are not produced from oil. They are produced from other fossil fuel sources.
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Allybeboba
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Conq
Guest
Nothing stays the same forever right? I think that pollution is bad for the environment as well.
Also I think as a species we are to dependent on oil, and that it is a vulnerability to put too many cards in any one deck.
Also I think as a species we are to dependent on oil, and that it is a vulnerability to put too many cards in any one deck.
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Tom Ganks
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I live in Texas, and west TX is very oil-driven, but I'm lead to believe they deny it out of simple misunderstanding. Sure their companies will tell them it's a load of bull, but outside of that, the common folk take it for a grain of salt. If it were something taught in schools across the globe, it wouldn't be denied. Instead, it's indirectly taught, and the people who miss key points of it give up, and associate it with ridiculous myths.
Allybeboba
Legend
You have to realize Yapah, Texas is HUGE. It is as large as France. Presuming Robo lives in the Midland/Odessa area or Permian Basin it would take me nearly nine hours to drive there. And keep in mind, I am not the farthest away I could be. There are some cities in Texas that are 14 hours from each other. And also keep in mind that our highest legal speed limit is 85 miles per hour/137KPH.
Where as Robo's economy is centric around the oil business, and is no doubt suffering right now. As is many economies. We happen to be lucky enough to where my city's economy is very diverse. Sure it is very reliant on the enery business. But it also has a very very robust science, research and business economy as well.
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Where as Robo's economy is centric around the oil business, and is no doubt suffering right now. As is many economies. We happen to be lucky enough to where my city's economy is very diverse. Sure it is very reliant on the enery business. But it also has a very very robust science, research and business economy as well.
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Tom Ganks
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I agree, certain companies such as Dow has led to lots of innovations and they have even funded programs at my college.
But I still would like to see more renewable, clean resources to power our lives.
Oil and natural gas is the easy solution for energy, but will bite us in the ass one way or another down the road. Whether it be climate change and/or polution, shortage, or tragedy. That said, we have Osha, and are far more regulated than China is in terms of safety and output.
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Smash
Grandfathered
Obviously the climate is always changing. The earth goes through cooling and warming periods. But this has nothing to do with human activity. That is, anthropogenic climate change (i.e. climate change caused by human activity) is purely a hoax, whereby false science is used to condition people into accepting that we are the problem (just google "Climategate"), with the likely intention being to institute a global carbon tax to fund global government.
Shame on all of us if we fall for it.
Shame on all of us if we fall for it.
Allybeboba
Legend
How do you think Al Gore got the Nobel Peace Prize? Do you think he got it from inventing the Internet? He got it from inventing the "carbon tax". Kek...
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