Censorship and Butthurt needs to stop

[Barbarous]

Aw I love you two! And a belated welcome back! Have a like, but later, since I am capped.

See the injustice inherent in the like system.

System is the greatest it's been


Like I'm unbanned and twinks still cry like wtf

 

[Conq]

System is the greatest it's been


Like I'm unbanned and twinks still cry like wtf

Barb stop it your going to cap my likes too

 

[Barbarous]

Hehehehehehrhehe I never like posts because gotta keep it like I'm an elitest but Realtek I miss dirty auction and I pray 4 him

 

[Conq]

explain to me then why my thread/post got removed several times? Oh I know because it went against what the mods/admins wanted and they decided to say fuck cheeser we don't care what you have to say....power hungry? I think so....

What I said is in no way in conflict with this issue but i'll just assume your changing the subject.

I'm not sure to be honest I had no involvement in that. From an outside perspective you had said it a lot of times at that point, making threads about the same thing over and over again with slightly different qualities is pretty much spamming tho, not only that but you were being a bully towards turtle and not even burg thinks you were going about it in the right way. Everyone was pretty much on the same page with that issue so you were beating a dead horse.

 

[imacheeser]

What I said is in no way in conflict with this issue but i'll just assume your changing the subject.

I'm not sure to be honest I had no involvement in that. From an outside perspective you had said it a lot of times at that point, making threads about the same thing over and over again with slightly different qualities is pretty much spamming tho, not only that but you were being a bully towards turtle and not even burg thinks you were going about it in the right way. Everyone was pretty much on the same page with that issue so you were beating a dead horse.

it wasn't spamming I disagree but how does it break the coc? being a bully is against the law on this forum page? its just like the cursing issue....you gotta be kidding me, that's some weak sauce shit....Then someone else makes the exact same thread and it doesnt get removed? yeah okay conq, over use of power....I appreciate your half ass response though

 

[imacheeser]

I can call him a little shit like super did to Solipsist and I bet thatd get removed and yet his still isn't.....thank you for making my point

 

[Conq]

I can call him a little shit like super did to Solipsist and I bet thatd get removed and yet his still isn't.....thank you for making my point

Being a bully is one of the few things myrm has explicity spoken against, it is a horrible thing to do to someone and it has been shown to have horrible real life consequences, i'm not sure what kind of person does that to another. As I have said in this post previously, 19s has been and will continue to be a safe haven for free discourse.

 

[Lluyd]

I can call him a little shit like super did to Solipsist and I bet thatd get removed and yet his still isn't.....thank you for making my point

hahaha what point is that? The point that you never called Solipsist a little shit so that comment could have been remove and thus making your point? Well guess what that never happened and adding I bet or I think something will happen doesnt make your point valid either lol.

 

[imacheeser]

hahaha what point is that? The point that you never called Solipsist a little shit so that comment could have been remove and thus making your point? Well guess what that never happened and adding I bet or I think something will happen doesnt make your point valid either lol.

This didn't happen? l2read m8

Originally Posted by Superstylin View Post

My god, you incompetent little shit. Do you have any idea how forums are run? Go to any other WoW related forum and look at how their communities are. The only reason why there is "censorship" here is because of the incredible amount of immaturity of the users on this forum. It really is astounding. The staff's goal is to keep the forums clean and adhere to the rules of the CoC. The rules are set in place to keep a tame atmosphere to promote forum growth and create a welcoming environment. This in turn will hopefully help the forum stay active and grow, which is the ultimate goal.

This post was made towards solipsist. GG Lluyd. Check page 13 maybe? you can see what I quoted and im pretty sure super said it on page 8. Now lluyd you have lost your privilege to speak to me. You clearly are a "little shit" as super says.

 

[Lluyd]

This didn't happen? l2read m8

Originally Posted by Superstylin View Post

My god, you incompetent little shit. Do you have any idea how forums are run? Go to any other WoW related forum and look at how their communities are. The only reason why there is "censorship" here is because of the incredible amount of immaturity of the users on this forum. It really is astounding. The staff's goal is to keep the forums clean and adhere to the rules of the CoC. The rules are set in place to keep a tame atmosphere to promote forum growth and create a welcoming environment. This in turn will hopefully help the forum stay active and grow, which is the ultimate goal.

This post was made towards solipsist. GG Lluyd. Check page 13 maybe? you can see what I quoted and im pretty sure super said it on page 8. Now lluyd you have lost your privilege to speak to me. You clearly are a "little shit" as super says.

Oh I am aware on what superstylin said, but how does what [MENTION=21759]Superstylin[/MENTION] make a difference to what I quoted you for. In my quote to you I said YOU have never said "you incompetent little shit" to solipsist, so you didnt have that post removed and you didn't make a point. I mean did you even read what I quoted you?

ive been a victim of mod/admin

Honestly this statement is just laughable, with what you said on page 13 about mods/admins removing your posts and threads. Thats because they were all to do with bashing/hating on [MENTION=23518]Turtle[/MENTION]. How are you a victim in any way?

As far as the loosing privilege to speak to you cheeser, I'm glad because I feel like I loose brain cells every time I speak to you, have a good day.

 

[Superstylin]

Hes an admin and weve all gotten infractions for cursing, threads removed for being obnoxious or hurtful, and hes suppose to be held to a higher standard. This is a prime example on why TI has awful mods/admins....GG NO RE

nvm

 

[Barbarous]

You said you loose brain cells not lose


Is this irony

 

[Solipsist]

I value freedom of speech and information very highly, but I really don't know where this idea that respect and decency is some modern liberal "politically correct" concept comes from. Back in the "good old days" of medieval England you'd be ostracized from your community if you weren't considered "neighborly" enough, and old germanic tribes used to fine people heavily for insulting another man's honor and in many circumstances it was legal to kill someone if they disrespected you. I think the moral degradation of society should be just as concerning to a conservative minded person as any NWO "political correctness" agenda.

The only moderation that I've personally done was to try to clean up the site to apply for adsense, which I've since given up on, to remove midget porn from someone's avatar, and banning someone for 3 days for bumping about a dozen threads that were years old without adding anything constructive. I do agree that some of the moderation has been heavy-handed recently, but I also think some people are abusing the lax policies and that certain areas of the site have gotten out of control. A lot of the time people report people that they're arguing with, there's hostility and insults on both sides so the whole argument gets deleted, then people complain about censorship or biased mods. It seems more like some of you are unhappy that the mods aren't biased.

I have a lot of respect for you Solipsist but it's almost comical how you're trying to paint yourself as some type of persecuted political dissident because your burn book got deleted. You're not Edward Snowden, you were acting like a gossipy highschool bitch. I agree that competition, banter, rivalries, and even a degree of hostility is healthy, but the purpose of this forum shouldn't be to reenact the movie Mean Girls. And Sketchbag please explain how Mocha's "vendetta" against you had anything to do with you getting an infraction for telling someone to cut themselves.

I think the best way to change behavior isn't through force but incentives, integration, and recognition of an individual's skills and value to the community. I'm sorry that some of the plans for the site are moving slowly, but there have been some pretty major setbacks that are going to make some of my initial goals difficult. If you're lashing out because you're frustrated just know that I'm also frustrated and I'm doing my best to ensure that we all get our place in the sun.

In the future I'm going to ask that moderators don't take action unless there has been a report or a serious violation, ie pornography, personal information, scams, private servers, etc. Profanity itself should not be a reason for deletions or infractions unless it is very excessive.

Myrm I do respect you for what you've done for this website. Here's the thing. If we are to have moderators we expect consistency, not people making up what they think is there own politically correct moral code. People are getting posts removed and people are getting infractions because they use ''profane'' language, i.e their points are getting censored.


Myrm just look at some of the people that are moderating this site. Look at Superstylins responses.

]My god, you incompetent little shit. Do you have any idea how forums are run? Go to any other WoW related forum and look at how their communities are. The only reason why there is "censorship" here is because of the incredible amount of immaturity of the users on this forum. It really is astounding. The staff's goal is to keep the forums clean and adhere to the rules of the CoC. The rules are set in place to keep a tame atmosphere to promote forum growth and create a welcoming environment. This in turn will hopefully help the forum stay active and grow, which is the ultimate goal.

I'm actually surprised that this thread was created, by yourself none the less. You created a twink ranking thread not too long ago appointing random terms to people, such as "Mangina", faggot, and cunt for ranks. I honestly don't know what the fuck is wrong with you. Do you actually have no understanding what a forum is, and what its purpose is??

I wouldn't mind this forum being a free for all, so I could fucking lay some of these pathetic nerds in their rightful place, but for now there is a CoC(k) that we must all follow.

p.s. I'm generally ok with the use of profanity to get a point across(I.e he makes up what he thinks is acceptable and not acceptable), but the excessive use of it and the use of it directed at other members is not tolerated(Just contradicts himself). I'm also not sure why there has been excessive use of censorship on this site, as I have been gone for the past bit, but hopefully I'll talk to a few of the mods and sort things out.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha you are more lost than I thought.

Seriously, re-read your own words. I am laughing because you are a joke.

Why is this person an Admin? He's not even a moderator, he's a fucking Admin, and hes posting like this. This is pathetic don't you agree?


Ciren sums it up well

If you can't control your emotions enough that being harassed on the internet sets you off you are in big fucking trouble out in the real world... Like big big trouble...

But it in reality there are not many people like that... You can't honestly say that yall spend all of your free time deleting and editing people's posts on the off chance that the victim of that persons post happens to be severely mentally unstable...

If you're being honest with us and yourself you do it because it largely makes you feel powerful.

You've appointed so many moderators over the past weeks. An excessive amount. Yet the problem is here is all of them are following what they think is ''politically correct'' in their own mind. Some delete the word ''fuck'' , some close threads which they don't believe are ''appropriate'' , some don't really care. It's all over the fucking place. Like I said before this is a world of warcraft forum not a professional workplace. We should not be getting offended by slurs. This generation is far too sensitive and emotional.

Again here, moderators making up what they think is acceptable and not acceptable.

Here's the thing guys.

We couldn't give a rat's ass about language to an extent (Again making up his mind on what he thinks is acceptable) . If used moderately, that is FINE. But if used carelessly, with hostility and/or an off-topic, unconstructive posting, we will most likely remove it(Like Superstylin?). It poisons discussion, the relationship between users on the site, and what this site stands for.

If you wish to shit-talk, keep it in-game or on vent.

You're all growing up I'd assume(Assumes swearing=Immaturity), so take this in consideration.

Well 19s will be a safe haven for free discourse as long as i'm here, I can say that much, some of this swearing is being done only to instigate mods tho, and thats counter-productive and self defeating Solipsist, if I were at my computer I would be editing C words, i'm fine with swearing but the C word is in some cases like saying the N word, its just a decency thing really.

I acknowledge there are steps being put forward in moderation, for example this thread would have deleted and I would have been banned if Shane was still in charge. However the problem is still occurs. People keep bringing up, well Wowhead is like this and these WoW forums are like that. Who fucking cares. This site should not follow others. We should allow people what they want to say without getting bombarded by moderators who make up their own political code. Most forums censor what people say because it offends other people. It is pathetic and TI shouldn't go down the same road Shane went.


I think you taking over was a huge step for this site. If you didn't step in and create the Twink Cup this forum and community would be as dead as can be. You removing Mocha from moderation was a step as well. Removing Superstyln would be another step. Personally I don't understand why there are so many mods at the moment. I swear there are at least 20 of them. Most of them don't even deserve it.


If I was owner of this site I would remove all the mods. I would just appoint 2 bracket managers per section, to be voted by the community, we need people to sticky threads, re name threads etc. However they would not be allowed to edit peoples posts unless they breach as you say extremes like personal info, scamming etc.


I'm not here to burn Twinkinfo to ground. I want it to be the best it can be, but censorship on this website is still heavily occurring from these moderators, most who make up what they think is acceptable and not acceptable.

 

[Goesid]

Edited by nazi mods

 

[Tom Ganks]

Can't we all just be friends?

The reason trash-talking is prohibited to an extent on forums is the fact that text is not easily deciphered into sarcasm/kidding. They come off as serious, where as if you had said it, it can be decoded as such.

So would you not take offense if someone called you a B***h with no words/tone to relief the tension?

This is where smiley faces or winking faces help a lot morons /jk I <3 you XOXO

 

[Dorigon]

Why is this person an Admin? He's not even a moderator, he's a fucking Admin, and hes posting like this. This is pathetic don't you agree?

You're going to make a thread complaining about censorship and then complain about what a guy says? You can't have it both ways.

 

[Light]

You know people losing legs in wars can be traced back to basic arguments. Pretty much how wars start

If you need to insult someone or use curse words to get a point across then your petty really

Any insults you have to say can be done in game? Must your hatred be public?

Again winning an argument on the internet is like winning the special olympics. Even if you win, your still a retard

 

[Solipsist]

You're going to make a thread complaining about censorship and then complain about what a guy says? You can't have it both ways.

No, but Superstylin does have it both ways, which was the point. He's a Admin calling people ''incompetent little shits'' and saying hes going to ''beat up pathetic nerds'' while saying profanity directed at members isn't tolerated. Go figure.

 

[Neon]

this thread is crazy why is this still here, you can't change anything the owner just said what was going to happen really no point for this thread, besides being fucking crazy i guess, i don't think anyone would want that, you can't just have no structure man thats bat shit crazy

 

[Conq]

Myrm I do respect you for what you've done for this website. Here's the thing. If we are to have moderators we expect consistency, not people making up what they think is there own politically correct moral code. People are getting posts removed and people are getting infractions because they use ''profane'' language, i.e their points are getting censored.


Myrm just look at some of the people that are moderating this site. Look at Superstylins responses.










Why is this person an Admin? He's not even a moderator, he's a fucking Admin, and hes posting like this. This is pathetic don't you agree?


Ciren sums it up well






You've appointed so many moderators over the past weeks. An excessive amount. Yet the problem is here is all of them are following what they think is ''politically correct'' in their own mind. Some delete the word ''fuck'' , some close threads which they don't believe are ''appropriate'' , some don't really care. It's all over the fucking place. Like I said before this is a world of warcraft forum not a professional workplace. We should not be getting offended by slurs. This generation is far too sensitive and emotional.

Again here, moderators making up what they think is acceptable and not acceptable.








I acknowledge there are steps being put forward in moderation, for example this thread would have deleted and I would have been banned if Shane was still in charge. However the problem is still occurs. People keep bringing up, well Wowhead is like this and these WoW forums are like that. Who fucking cares. This site should not follow others. We should allow people what they want to say without getting bombarded by moderators who make up their own political code. Most forums censor what people say because it offends other people. It is pathetic and TI shouldn't go down the same road Shane went.


I think you taking over was a huge step for this site. If you didn't step in and create the Twink Cup this forum and community would be as dead as can be. You removing Mocha from moderation was a step as well. Removing Superstyln would be another step. Personally I don't understand why there are so many mods at the moment. I swear there are at least 20 of them. Most of them don't even deserve it.


If I was owner of this site I would remove all the mods. I would just appoint 2 bracket managers per section, to be voted by the community, we need people to sticky threads, re name threads etc. However they would not be allowed to edit peoples posts unless they breach as you say extremes like personal info, scamming etc.


I'm not here to burn Twinkinfo to ground. I want it to be the best it can be, but censorship on this website is still heavily occurring from these moderators, most who make up what they think is acceptable and not acceptable.

I have never censored anyone for using the C word alone, it must be excessive