[Cata] New AGM stats and damage reduce

[Rivfader]

I'm all for balance in the lower brackets, but I really don't believe people who said that they twinked simply for an alterantive playstyle. Obviously that's why we continue to do it or we never would have turned XP off but there's no shame in admiting your original intent. On a more related note, I like having items that are difficult to get, it makes people invest more in their twink and makes them more committed to playing it. That's why I don't like the direction blizz is going with gear nerfs and BoAs. If all it takes to make a BiS twink (or nearly so) is an afternoon of emblem farming and a little bit of gold for enchants then any new people to the bracket won't have much invested in their twink and will most likely be less motivated to play it.

 

[Kore nametooshort]

I am convinced a lot of twink players are a bunch of dishonest phony bastards with no respect for anyone they talk to. They would without pause tell you they twink because they are interested in fair play and balance while gearing themselves up to be totally out of balance with the other people at their level. Don't bring up xp off battlegrounds. You guys are only doing that because blizzard forced you in that direction. If it was not for Blizzard you would still be in regular battlegrounds rolling mostly scrubs.



The biggest scumbag twinks are the ones who demand everyone else only use certain gear. They decided all by themselves AGM should not be used. Now a normal person would say ok "i won't use it but if someone else does I don't care" but these scumbag twinks are different. Their mindset is since I don't want to use it NO ONE ELSE SHOULD BE ABLE TO! Then they do everything from flooding the forums with complaints to wasting GMs time with complaning tickets. These scumbags are the reason for the 3.1 nerf that took away the twink items that gutted the twink population. These phony scumbag twinks talk about honor when 99% of players hate them. Why? If they were so honorable they would be loved not hated. Its just amazing how 2 faced the scumbag twinks could be.

Watch yourself, you are dangerously close to insulting many people on this site. We of course appreciate other peoples opinions, however no body enjoys being insulted. You seem unwilling to even consider anyone else's input in this topic. While a discussion is good, simply stating your hatred over and over wont achieve anything other than disrespect directed at you.



Also, simply because we shared battlegrounds with levelers does not mean we endorsed, advocated or tolerated facerolling in any form. Of course there were always twinks who twinked purely to roflstomp, however do not make the mistake of generalising everyone into the same group.

I'm all for balance in the lower brackets, but I really don't believe people who said that they twinked simply for an alterantive playstyle. Obviously that's why we continue to do it or we never would have turned XP off but there's no shame in admiting your original intent. On a more related note, I like having items that are difficult to get, it makes people invest more in their twink and makes them more committed to playing it. That's why I don't like the direction blizz is going with gear nerfs and BoAs. If all it takes to make a BiS twink (or nearly so) is an afternoon of emblem farming and a little bit of gold for enchants then any new people to the bracket won't have much invested in their twink and will most likely be less motivated to play it.

Ofcourse many good, well meaning twinks started out wanting to have a well geared character. Some of these, though not all by a long chalk, probably did intend to roflstomp, however just because thats how they started doesnt mean thats how they are now, and many wont appreciate being hated on. Those who did intend to simply have a well geared char possibly didnt like the methods of progression on offer at end game and thus decided to twink. Even pre xp lock, people couldnt make a twink solely expecting to be able to faceroll. Due to the high population of twinks in the BGs you would have to expect to meet other twinks as well. To state that everyone who made their first twink shortly before xp lock did it to faceroll is wrong.



Edit: Also, to state that it was the "honourable" twinks who caused the leg armours to be removed is wrong. it was levelers and blizzards new policy that changed that.

 

[Schildkröte]

Multiple faggotry posts.

derrrr wow so srs

 

[lindenkron]

I remember the days of of normal BGs. Just hoping to face twinks from the rivalling guild (back when BGroup BGs were merged). Facerolling non-twinks is only fun for so long.

 

[Conrose]

Let's here it then, why did you make your first twink. What was your thought process.

My process was



Step 1: I'll level 3 classes to lvl 20, a Rogue, a Hunter and a Warlock.

Step 2: Rogue rocks, you are now my main.



*Insert 5 Months here*



Step 3: Holy shit, I still have a lvl 20 Hunter and Warlock.

Step 4: Lets gear her up, I'll get back at those 29 twinks who camped me in the BGs when my rogue was grinding to colonel for the PvP trinket on my Rogue Main 3 months ago.

Step 5: Hey... this twinking thing is kinda fun.

Step 6: Note to self, never level engineering on 2 toons at the same time ever again!

Step 7: I'll make a lvl 19 Hunter now.

Step 8: Melee Huntering at 19/29 looks like it can be fun and viable ^_^



Now, back with the Non-Twinks with the Twinks, I didn't like alot of those since 2 Hunter Twinks could instagib them by the droves with Multi-Shot pereferal hits alone. I remember one game where I was able to GY camp a whole team without even having the assistance of a healer.

 

[Nohealsforju]

I remember the days of of normal BGs. Just hoping to face twinks from the rivalling guild (back when BGroup BGs were merged). Facerolling non-twinks is only fun for so long.

Well i loved those days... Surprisingly i was glad we were seperated because i got tired of all the low levels QQing. Even though they still are.

 

[Luhar]

Let's here it then, why did you make your first twink. What was your thought process.

I made my first twink AFTER they implemented xp on bgs. I like fighting people on an equal footing. Sorry im not a faggot :/

 

[xFeat]

I'll admit I made my first twink because I wanted to roflstomp lowbies in bgs back in the day. However, when blizz implemented xp on/off BGs i was relieved. Having some balance in Xp-off bgs after all those hours of two-shotting lvl 11s is so much more fun.

 

[Rivfader]

I made my first twink AFTER they implemented xp on bgs. I like fighting people on an equal footing. Sorry im not a faggot :/

You're terrible at 19s so I guess it's not surprising you would call BiS gear OP.



















Now quit the bullshit, no one made their first twink after XP-on except those half-geared scrubs that are currently infesting the bracket.

 

[Luhar]

lmao i proved you little theory wrong and you have nothing else to say, sorry i like fighting equally geared players, guess im just a better person than you. Now go roll levelers that have no chance to fight back.

 

[examinerEU]

Luhar - Id rather everyone just have equal access to gear

Not imo, i worked hard to perfect my toon and its the "little stuff" which made you stand apart from the rest, this little stuff then caught on and made the bracket more competitive.

If you just give gear to every tom dick and harry it willl just be the same problem pre twink killer patch. Scrubs in bgs thinking they are twinks because they have a nice helm which their mains farmed for them in 25 mins. Thus making people less inclined to play.

If you want to twink you put effort into it; agm isnt a crutch its an item dedicated players will have over "newgen" twinks who think its OP since they find its harder to get.

If they do nerf it, its been nerfed and we need new places to branch out; but as it stands its here to stay and anyone who throws a pissfit because they feel it takes no "skill" to use ill have to use the quote i saw on TI, "If you had to choose between having a big d*ck or a little d*ck, would you choose the little d*ck because it takes "more skill" to use?"

 

[Scrounger]

After the unscripted PvP at Tarren Mills / Southshore and before there were any Battlegroups (e.g Cyclone, Ruin), I built a twinking guild. Why? Because on my main, our faction (Alliance) was getting hammered day after day in AV, AB, and WSG. I tried for several months to help organize the level 50+ Alliance, but the Horde were simply too experienced. By the time an Alliance player got enough experience to be effective, he leveled out. I suspect that being outnumbered at TM taught the Horde how to play together better than the Alliance.



So, I essentially built a twink factory in the 19 bracket and bankrolled it myself. We did pretty good and had many fun and challenging games against Horde side twink guilds. I did not build that guild to faceroll newbies, I did it to win. My opponents were doing the same thing - if I did not participate in the arms race, I would have gotten rolled.



Rif, you asked and so that's my story.

 

[Rivfader]

lmao i proved you little theory wrong and you have nothing else to say, sorry i like fighting equally geared players, guess im just a better person than you. Now go roll levelers that have no chance to fight back.

Thats why your first twink was a crutchnaaru hunter then? Because you like balance?

 

[Rivfader]

After the unscripted PvP at Tarren Mills / Southshore and before there were any Battlegroups (e.g Cyclone, Ruin), I built a twinking guild. Why? Because on my main, our faction (Alliance) was getting hammered day after day in AV, AB, and WSG. I tried for several months to help organize the level 50+ Alliance, but the Horde were simply too experienced. By the time an Alliance player got enough experience to be effective, he leveled out. I suspect that being outnumbered at TM taught the Horde how to play together better than the Alliance.



So, I essentially built a twink factory in the 19 bracket and bankrolled it myself. We did pretty good and had many fun and challenging games against Horde side twink guilds. I did not build that guild to faceroll newbies, I did it to win. My opponents were doing the same thing - if I did not participate in the arms race, I would have gotten rolled.



Rif, you asked and so that's my story.

I could say pretty much the same thing, my first experience with twinks was getting stomped in WSG as a UD rogue who I thought was well geared. When I realized that his gear was crap and I didn't have enough XP left to farm up real gear then I rerolled my troll rogue. My point is though it would have been just as easy to finish leveling him up and forget all about low level BGs, the thing that made me want to stay at 19 was the fact that I knew I'd be able to mete out some destruction. Theres no shame in it, man up people and stop trying to make excuses.

 

[Yellowman]

oke, so i read all this stuff, and ill type down what comes up in my mind:



couple of weeks ago, 3v3 tournament finals, pro ppl who fight eachother in a way most ppl could only dream of. They can just order their gearsets, get it, fit it to theyr own playstile, and fight a good match. atm that gear it T10 and wrathfull. would it matter if they only got deadly and T8 or so? no those guys can pvp, they know when to push the button, and like doing so.



some ppl here want them to have the wrathfull, and the one(s) you're fighting to have that shitty deadly gear. does that make them cool? does that make em good pvpers? in my honest oppinion not...



why dont you "pure" twinks go kill rats in deeprun tram? "no thats boring". so i assume you want your prey to struggle....



personaly, i love the fact that in the XP off bg's we're all about egual geared, it gets more interesting if you're actualy have a chance to lose. and if we lose AGM, idc. i never had it on any of my twinks. So call me scrub, i dont care, but i like the fact that you dont have to push 123 to kill somone, but that you have to pay some attention, and get some skills.



think of this post whatever you like, but i think some of you here have a sick twist in your thinking, and the "its only a game" is called by me now, so dont come up with that shit.



sorry for that bad spelling.



Yellowman

 

[Rivfader]

The gear is there and available for everyone and items like AGM, LFH, herb, etc. dont really favor one class over another. It's not like enti's where only one class could use it and it was an instant "I WIN". Like I said before, and Examiner reiterated, it's good to have a few BiS pieces that require effort to obtain because it forces players to invest more into their twinks. The only people who would actually welcome the loss of all difficult to obtain items are scrubs who can''t be fucked to put any effort into their toon and just want to bring everyone down to their level. I have no sympathy for those lazy people and don't want their endless QQing to put twinking to the point where all you need to do to make a BiS twink is to spend an afternoon emblem farming.

 

[REVENGE]

We will always have those people whose mindset is "if I don't have or don't want to put the effort into something then it must be removed"! The thing is they will always try to cloak the whatever they say with some fairness BS. I have seen it on many twink forums. You can be sure there twinks right now petitioning Blizzard to remove the AGM and take away the +40 armor from people who already have it. The one thing in our favor is Blizzard knows they lost twink accounts with the spiteful nerf of the twinks so they will be more careful now about taking away items from paying players. I get what I can for my twinks and if someone else have better so be it. The problem is some people for whatever mental reason refuse to be to accept people with better or different gear than themselves. They see someone with something they cannot get or don't want they flood Blizzard with petitions. I remember the time before the great nerf with all the complainers whinine everywhere about the profession buffs. I remember the endless threads on the official WOw forums. They just got over the top and end making a pest of themselves to blizzard. Why you think the 3.1 nerf came about? Because of those people. Those people became too much of a problem for blizzard to ignore so they went in in a heavy handed way to take care of the problem and went BEYOND what the complainers were begging for.

 

[Stormfist]

Wow is an arms race and a time sink. Its also easy. Twinking doubly so. You want to believe otherwise then you're playing the wrong game.



If you want a fairly balanced game of skill, piss off and download chessmaster.

 

[Oasis]

Wow is an arms race and a time sink. Its also easy. Twinking doubly so. You want to believe otherwise then you're playing the wrong game.



If you want a fairly balanced game of skill, piss off and download chessmaster.

White has the advantage.

 

[Scrounger]

the thing that made me want to stay at 19 was the fact that I knew I'd be able to mete out some destruction.

I don't have a problem with that, but please don't assume everyone is the same as you. I twinked to win. There is a difference. If you could check out the WSG stats on my 19 twinks, you would see they have a fairly high rate of caps / returns - not so much on damage or kills in comparison. The 19 bracket was simply the easiest in terms of logistics to build a twink guild for.