bis 24 rogue?
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I think the one in the stickied thread is outdated?
l30t53dd6p
OG
This one? Profiler - Wowhead
Well it's an option but i dunno why he placed the sword in main hand for a sub rogue, i would just do that when i would have been catched out of stealth and/or not going to use backstab. Also both rings are 10 agi and he did not choose the 8 agi version bracers wich makes it kinda weird too. Its still the best way to go for a maxed out ambush/backstab/crit damage if you change the bracers to 8 agi.
I would use the pvp shoulders over his pve ones and i think the best way would be using charged gear of the monkey in combination with the bracers in the profiler and use brawler gloves and standard issue prisoner shoes. I also would do a faction change for the eye patch ^^
Oh and btw his belt is not obtainable by a 24 either, wowhead might say its usable for a level 24 but you wont get it untill level 28 from a satchel i believe. I would go for deftkin belt or the satchel of the bandit one, the 5/5/5.
Well it's an option but i dunno why he placed the sword in main hand for a sub rogue, i would just do that when i would have been catched out of stealth and/or not going to use backstab. Also both rings are 10 agi and he did not choose the 8 agi version bracers wich makes it kinda weird too. Its still the best way to go for a maxed out ambush/backstab/crit damage if you change the bracers to 8 agi.
I would use the pvp shoulders over his pve ones and i think the best way would be using charged gear of the monkey in combination with the bracers in the profiler and use brawler gloves and standard issue prisoner shoes. I also would do a faction change for the eye patch ^^
Oh and btw his belt is not obtainable by a 24 either, wowhead might say its usable for a level 24 but you wont get it untill level 28 from a satchel i believe. I would go for deftkin belt or the satchel of the bandit one, the 5/5/5.
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kratos
Xarbage
The weapons can be altered either way, it wasn't meant to show the importance of which hand but just which weapons to use, but after having that pointed out I'll be fixing it.
The Agility bracers do not come up on wowhead because they don't have that random enchant as a suggestion, which is why under the link I have it that you should be using the pure agi bracers. As for the rings, a rogue really doesn't need that extra 12 stam you would be getting with monkey rings as compared to the 6 agi you get from using the pure rings, rogues shouldn't even be opening on a target until he is at bout 50-75% health and after that it's all damage.
As for the pvp shoulders, they give resil, which imo is a waste of a stat for a rogue in this bracket, they should be opening with ambush, doing as much damage as possible in a small time span, and then going off to restealth.
And the belt is obtainable, it's the Ilvl 25 belt which is from the randoms that start at level 15.
The eyepatch is going to put you way over hit cap, while the helm gives you crit and hit which was the reasoning behind the helm, and the ashen gloves in the profile give you 4 crit in exchange for the 1 agi the brawler gloves give you. (As I mentioned before not bringing up the stam the brawler gloves give you because the rogue shouldn't need it)
l30t53dd6p
OG
I'm not going to discuss this with the likes of you. Your post is allready telling me that there aint discussion possible with your so called bis ambush/backstab/crit setup and i can clearly see that you not really understand playing pvp and the importance of all stats combined wich makes a toon bis and not just focussing on a single thing. You have to find the best way to gear your toon in all situations and you have to take notice that there are more situations then just burst and vanish again wich is not the reality by playing pvp. Maby it is in a 1v1 situation but defo not in battlegrounds and arena where you are dealing with more persons and the chance you get attacked by more then just 1 wich makes having stamina also important for twinking and same goes for the resi.
Also you are talking about over capping with the eye patch when i allready can see in your profiler that you over capped that toon allready even after you changed the boots and lost 10 hit rating, so what are we talking about here? In my example i left hit out on shoulders wich makes the hit from the eye patch a nice welcome.
Im allready glad that you changed the rocket boots into prisoner shoes wich are way better. Im allready having a 24 rogue and im playing it frequently and i dont have the feeling you ever did by reading the post above nor the gear list thread for 24s.
Also profiler is showing a 12/12/12 of the bandit belt and that one is defo not dropping from satchels up from level 15. You might want to look at your profiler for that.
Also you are talking about over capping with the eye patch when i allready can see in your profiler that you over capped that toon allready even after you changed the boots and lost 10 hit rating, so what are we talking about here? In my example i left hit out on shoulders wich makes the hit from the eye patch a nice welcome.
Im allready glad that you changed the rocket boots into prisoner shoes wich are way better. Im allready having a 24 rogue and im playing it frequently and i dont have the feeling you ever did by reading the post above nor the gear list thread for 24s.
Also profiler is showing a 12/12/12 of the bandit belt and that one is defo not dropping from satchels up from level 15. You might want to look at your profiler for that.
kratos
Xarbage
Not sure what I did to provoke such hostility, you said it yourself, my sets are purely opinion based which is why I look for so much feedback on every set.
I took the time to put together a gear set using the pieces you mentioned, and while it may have more of a survivability factor, I still feel my set is better in certain aspects.
I switched the shoulders, helm, rings, and bracers to what you suggested, if there was anything else you wanted me to change let me know and I'll alter it.
Leot
Now to start with, I understand that there are many different approaches to playing a rogue. This is just the style that has been used by myself and many other guilds in all different brackets and it's one I stick to when considering premades. I understand that many people may disagree with it, which is why I try to be as open as possible to all different sets of gear suggestions.
The comment I made concerning the eyepatch was only if you were to use my gearset, swapping only the boa helm for the eyepatch, because that would just be going over hit cap, while sacrificing crit.
As far as shoulders go, yes in my gearset you could switch shoulder with pvp ones and still be hit capped, but I maintain my point of resilience being a less than useful stat on a rogue. When you put on the Exceptional shoulders, you gain 5resil, which only equals 2.04 percent damage reduct, and you gain 2 stam. While the pve shoulders only give you 1 agi, which is 2 Atk power and 0.10%hit, it's still better gain than 2 stam and a 2% damage reduc on a twink thats primary focus is damage.
In regards to the previous profile that had the rocket boots, it was an incorrect gear choice that I changed after some consultation with other players, but that was also in January when those boots were still on it, so imo water under the bridge.
I'm not sure why the belt is coming up for 12/12/12 for you, just checked it on mine and it came up as 5/5/5, and that's since the last edit in January, here's a pic showing that {PICTURE}
The final tally would be (In using your set), gaining 21 stam, and gaining 5resil, while losing 10 agi, losing 2.71% crit, and losing 0.87% dodge.
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Honey Badger
OG
It all comes down to play style. Also after u kill an efc how good r u at clicking that flag to return it . So many rogues are so lazy n depend on shadow step .
Dramatized
Legend
OP fucking shit, 3k RBG-rating
l30t53dd6p
OG
I just didnt want to discuss your gear setup and you started to defend your profiler while i even said that it would be a good choice, i had no intention to make a discussion about it at all, but you wanted that. But it is simply not the first bis choice a person should take, it is a 2nd choice for hit and run same as making a dodge rogue, it is simply not first choice, glasscannons never where. It sounded perhaps hostile, its just my style writing english, but it really isnt, it just shows a better setup for beeing bis in more situations. Thats all, nothing more.
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kratos
Xarbage
My mistake then for misinterpreting, suppose I become slightly defensive with my gear choices, one of the reasons I opt for a full analysis of any changes in gear so that way if I am wrong I can change it.
Nohealsforju
Legend
Ko is BiS he is first on the Rogue list for a reason hehe.
Kó @ Firetree - Game Guide - World of Warcraft
Petrospill pants is better though. Toughened leather = Brawler = Ashen imo. Slight differences in each.
Now if you are not horde and plan to only stay alliance put a Mass of Mcgowan in MH. Dual daggers get Toxic revenger in MH. Or get the super rare black venom blade for max ambush in OH.
Kó @ Firetree - Game Guide - World of Warcraft
Petrospill pants is better though. Toughened leather = Brawler = Ashen imo. Slight differences in each.
Now if you are not horde and plan to only stay alliance put a Mass of Mcgowan in MH. Dual daggers get Toxic revenger in MH. Or get the super rare black venom blade for max ambush in OH.
l30t53dd6p
OG
Then someone placed him the wrong position. He is bis as glasscannon to demolish 1on1 versus other melee with a little more agi/crit/dodge (not even talking about his gun equipped and using minor speed on boots) but there are more classes in bg/arenas. Why are people so bad at comparing stats and look what is best and forgetting that stamina and resi are also important. Even tho he has a little more crit/dodge/agi he will get wrecked by a rogue who runs the other setup simply cause of the resi and more stamina, his crit/agi/dodge wont out weight it, only skill.
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Vtec
Legend
Not really understanding why he is using +100 hp to chest
kratos
Xarbage
Ko was bis when he had all of his boas on firetree, now he doesn't so hes had to substitue some items.