Wittyscrub
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Never seen that ring you've added before camael.. Think i might go pick that one up.
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Nesyla
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Esotra
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Psh, You die to the breeze when you run with a negative amount of resilience, which it feels like you do.
Just need to be quick to play without resilience, and/or a weapon chain, Or get a second offhand and swap between encounters like a Deathknight would, but with 15-40% Resilience, you really should have a weapon chain on.
Wymoro
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The weapon chain is definitely BiS, there's no way that 26 agility is going to outway being made almost useless for 10s. Even if you arent the one being focused, unless you have a trinket you are effectively worthless to your partner(s) for the duration of the disarm. Granted, you can still use your pet but all your damage is gone. The average hunter/dk will run w/ the chain/runeforge on their off-hand all the time (assuming DW), whereas the more skilled with have an second OH weapon w/ the chain and switch to it in anticipation of a disarm.
EDIT:
As mentioned by Witty, the Hard Khorium Battlefists are basically the equivalent to the BPGrips. They give more hit which can be useful. The only problem is that it's a very rare pattern out of SWP and requires a miner who knows how to make Hardened Khorium, they're still BiS for some setups though.
As far as the alternate Frost Mage setup, here you go:
It could be better in some situations where you want Haste all of the time. That said, it's very similar to the Alternate Frost setup linked, the only differences are the trinkets used and the weapon. IMO, You're better off w/ Sunflare + OH because you lose too much Spell Penetration, which you end up having to gem for (you only gain 20 via shoulders). You also are a bit short on haste in order to get three Frostbolt off during a deep freeze, but that isnt much of a problem.
All in all, the two different setups are both valid, but I prefer Sunflare w/ the Off-Hand mostly because you lose too much Spell Penetration if you don't go that way. Either way, most people I've seen w/ that setup gem more offensively, they use that setup because they know frost really well and want an insane amount of SP. Gemming defensively makes it so that you might as well just use the more common setup that way you get the benefits of the PVP 4 Piece and the lowered blink gcd.
EDIT:
As mentioned by Witty, the Hard Khorium Battlefists are basically the equivalent to the BPGrips. They give more hit which can be useful. The only problem is that it's a very rare pattern out of SWP and requires a miner who knows how to make Hardened Khorium, they're still BiS for some setups though.
As far as the alternate Frost Mage setup, here you go:
It could be better in some situations where you want Haste all of the time. That said, it's very similar to the Alternate Frost setup linked, the only differences are the trinkets used and the weapon. IMO, You're better off w/ Sunflare + OH because you lose too much Spell Penetration, which you end up having to gem for (you only gain 20 via shoulders). You also are a bit short on haste in order to get three Frostbolt off during a deep freeze, but that isnt much of a problem.
All in all, the two different setups are both valid, but I prefer Sunflare w/ the Off-Hand mostly because you lose too much Spell Penetration if you don't go that way. Either way, most people I've seen w/ that setup gem more offensively, they use that setup because they know frost really well and want an insane amount of SP. Gemming defensively makes it so that you might as well just use the more common setup that way you get the benefits of the PVP 4 Piece and the lowered blink gcd.
Wittyscrub
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Camael, Also note carrying a spare apoloyon/Brutal weapon with http://www.wowhead.com/spell=53323/rune-of-swordshattering for 2h, Switch against sp/rogues/warriors.
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Nesyla
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Wymoro
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The arcane armory has a Frost talent tree associated w/ it. I bearly ever play Arcane so I can't give a perfect talent tree for the average player.
That said, I've seen two setups, one which avoids putting points into the arcane missles talents, the other that does put points there. Pretty much every talent in the arcane tree is debatable for PVP, all except for Improved AE.
Speccing w/out AM talents usually leaves you with two points that you spread between Focus Magic, Invocation + Netherwind P. Focus Magic is a must have for some builds, but useless if you're in an arena team that doesn't have another caster. Speccing into AM requires that you take 4 points out of other talents. I'd say the best places to pick these talents from are Arcane P, Arcane C, Improved Poly or maybe Prismatic Cloak.
Arcane w/out AM: http://www.wowhead.c...GRMRRo:sVZMkZzm
Arcane w/ AM: http://www.wowhead.c...GR0RMo:sVZMkZzm
Note: You could build the tree w/ AM to include the Clearclasting talents, I don't play Arcane unless I'm extremely bored, so have someone more familiar note which is best.
EDIT: The Fire Tree is also blank
In this case, there's a pretty simple setup. Take everything except for the aoe talents, the pyromaniac talent, mana conservation of scorch and the mana conservation talent in the first tier. That said, some people go for that mana conservation talent and sacrifice either the 3% increased fire dmg or 12% on execute targets.
http://www.wowhead.c...zRosco:sVZMkZzm
I'm not completely certain on glyphs for either, I know Arcane Blast is neccesary for Arcane, and I know you don't want Dragons Breath for fire. This is because it causes DB to DR itself if used on CD. That said, I'd imagine Arcane would likely want AM if built that way, Mage Armor otherwise. Fire would probably want either Pyroblast or Living Bomb, not sure. The major glyphs are pretty set in stone unless you dont plan to have to poly.
Feral Cat:
Don't neccesarily need all 3 points in Furor, many Ferals place two of those points in either Nurturing Instinct for more survivabiity or Feral Agression for instant 3 stacks of Faire Fire/ 10% more to FB.
Ele Shaman:
No need for point in Earthquake for most specs, its quite useless in Arena, maybe ok for a BG spec. Might want points in Reverberation for lowered cd on shocks/Wind Shear.
That said, I've seen two setups, one which avoids putting points into the arcane missles talents, the other that does put points there. Pretty much every talent in the arcane tree is debatable for PVP, all except for Improved AE.
Speccing w/out AM talents usually leaves you with two points that you spread between Focus Magic, Invocation + Netherwind P. Focus Magic is a must have for some builds, but useless if you're in an arena team that doesn't have another caster. Speccing into AM requires that you take 4 points out of other talents. I'd say the best places to pick these talents from are Arcane P, Arcane C, Improved Poly or maybe Prismatic Cloak.
Arcane w/out AM: http://www.wowhead.c...GRMRRo:sVZMkZzm
Arcane w/ AM: http://www.wowhead.c...GR0RMo:sVZMkZzm
Note: You could build the tree w/ AM to include the Clearclasting talents, I don't play Arcane unless I'm extremely bored, so have someone more familiar note which is best.
EDIT: The Fire Tree is also blank
In this case, there's a pretty simple setup. Take everything except for the aoe talents, the pyromaniac talent, mana conservation of scorch and the mana conservation talent in the first tier. That said, some people go for that mana conservation talent and sacrifice either the 3% increased fire dmg or 12% on execute targets.
http://www.wowhead.c...zRosco:sVZMkZzm
I'm not completely certain on glyphs for either, I know Arcane Blast is neccesary for Arcane, and I know you don't want Dragons Breath for fire. This is because it causes DB to DR itself if used on CD. That said, I'd imagine Arcane would likely want AM if built that way, Mage Armor otherwise. Fire would probably want either Pyroblast or Living Bomb, not sure. The major glyphs are pretty set in stone unless you dont plan to have to poly.
Feral Cat:
Don't neccesarily need all 3 points in Furor, many Ferals place two of those points in either Nurturing Instinct for more survivabiity or Feral Agression for instant 3 stacks of Faire Fire/ 10% more to FB.
Ele Shaman:
No need for point in Earthquake for most specs, its quite useless in Arena, maybe ok for a BG spec. Might want points in Reverberation for lowered cd on shocks/Wind Shear.
Banishedjr
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http://chardev.org/?profile=175482
This is the MM hunter BiS guide from before. Had it bookmarked, I'll post the made and priest ones in a moment.
This is the MM hunter BiS guide from before. Had it bookmarked, I'll post the made and priest ones in a moment.
Banishedjr
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From old guide:
Disc priest: Couldn't find it, I'll make one using my priest (who used the guide)
Frost mage: http://chardev.org/?profile=174921
Disc priest: Couldn't find it, I'll make one using my priest (who used the guide)
Frost mage: http://chardev.org/?profile=174921
Wymoro
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As far as the Disc Priest armory goes, it still needs to be hit capped atleast for 70. It should also probably be using Wand of the Demonsoul or the Healer variant.
Shadow Priest is probably better off w/ the PVE cloak, though it may depend on whether you're going defensive or offensive.
Holy Priest should probably be using the healer pants instead of Leggings of Calamity if they actually value spirit enough to gem for it. It also needs to be hit capped.
Shadow Priest is probably better off w/ the PVE cloak, though it may depend on whether you're going defensive or offensive.
Holy Priest should probably be using the healer pants instead of Leggings of Calamity if they actually value spirit enough to gem for it. It also needs to be hit capped.
threesets
Beats on Fourteens
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/frostmane/Whorse/simple sooooo close to bis, need kj cape, and sunwell legs; (
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Nesyla
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Nesyla
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I would honestly go for Jewelcrafting and Engineering, you can ( once 450 ) pretty much self provide your toon with whichever cut you need and therefore make money from buying valor points with honor, cut the gem, sell it.
Which is a lot more profitable than selling the un-cut gem. Not to mention the great bonus both offer.
Esotra
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Dont start this again. It's one of the advantages to being Marks over BM/Surv, It is a fantastic talent.
If you are concerned it'll break Scatter/Trap, those two abilitys are 95% Of the time used on the partner, escort, or whatever. As you get peels/dispels and destroy whatever is on you.
Unless you can offer a valid reason why it shouldn't be taken, Your post is rather unhelpful.
ITS AWFUL if i wanted to dot someone id fucking sepent sting which i may add is my most underused move at 70. your objective is to chain CC not to DoT. plus this is a BURST bracket damage over time holds no bias.
ask brokentrojan who the best hunter is and then argue my decision on piercing shots.
ask brokentrojan who the best hunter is and then argue my decision on piercing shots.