Aelryn the <havoc> twink charity guild bank thief QQ

warning : This post is a QQ, cry-me-a-river post about an arsehole who cleared out the twink guild bank of <Havoc>, a EU charity twink guild that gave FULLY FUNDED rerolls to more than 100 twinks before blizzard killed twinking in our battlegroup, wsg dried up, and our members started transferring to blackout, where all the EU action is.



The twinks name WAS Nothdal, a 19 shammy with fishing hat and boas. We helped boost him for his fishing hat lol. He also transferred an 80 DK Gulthon over to help boost people etc. Aelryn, his lvl 19 druid is still on The Maelstrom EU horde.



Nothdal was a great player, knowledgable and very helpful with others, boosting and helping people level professions. He always had time for newbies and was duely made officer and everything was OK for several months before he announced that he wouldn't be playing as much wow and thanked us all etc etc.



At the time we were genuinely sad to see him go.



2 weeks ago he cleared out the 3rd bank tab, taking all the pricey twink BOE and rare items. We were too trusting, officers had no withdrawal limits. Aelryn / Nothdal / Gulthon then transferred and name changed his characters off the server.



Stolen Items :



couple of TBJ's

3 or 4 perfect wranglers

formal dangui (Bigbul's favourite D.I.S.C.O Ball dancing gear qq)

a few TCS

a few blessed seers

Misc Twink chants (+sp, +22 int etc)



And about 20 other blue BOE items, darkweave breeches, gloves, boots and some random greens - throat piercers, banshee rods, etc etc. Luckily most of the AQ/MC chants, assassins blades, night reavers etc were in the GM's personal bank.



These items were in storage to be transferred to blackout and used to build some new twinks / help out wherever we ended up in blackout. These items would have been GIVEN AWAY to the right people. Anyone involved in <Havoc> when we were active who received full item and chant sets can confirm this. We gave away C.50k gold worth of twink items and chants and boosts etc to try and get people back into twinking and build a healthy base of EU players to try and keep EU twinking alive.



Still reading this wall of text? Wow! I would have given up on reading this QQ-you-should-have-locked-down-guild-bank rant after the 2nd paragraph. The thief's 80 DK Gulthon transferred back to The Maelstrom EU a couple of days ago, so I logged a lvl 1 alt and had a wee chat with his druid twink - Aelryn / The Maelstrom / EU :



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What a cheeky little ****er!



Despite my annoyance at being ripped off I actually find his responses quite funny in a smart-arse little-kid-who-needs-a-slap kinda way.



The whereabouts, race and name of his 19 shammy is currently unknown, but before he left I imported the achievement dates and times of all <Havoc> members and his other chars.



You can change your name, faction and server as much as you like, but you can't change your class or achievement history. We'll find out where his 19 shammy is sooner or later and make sure that his reputation catches up with him.



A personal message for Aelryn / Nothdal / Gulthon, a regular twinkinfo lurker :



You stole items from a charity guild whose mission was to help as many people to twink as possible. That makes you an ARSEHOLE.



You paid for 4+ character transfers / Name Changes / Faction changes to steal C.3k worth of twink items!??. That makes you a STUPID ARSEHOLE, a RICH ARSEHOLE, or a STUPID RICH ARSEHOLE.



Despite what you think, reputation within the twink community DOES count for something. We fight alongside and against the same people day in, day out.



Enjoy your new found reputation as the EU Twink ARSEHOLE KING :)



[char=eu-The+Maelstrom]Aelryn[/char]

[char=eu-The+Maelstrom]Gulthon[/char]
 
That was very smart to record achievment dates. Its almost like a forensic dna fingure print. How many achievments do you think you have to record in order to I'd someone? All the wsg ones? Only thing that can get around this is a reroll. But who wants to do that if they have just completed a twink.
 
Grabco said:
That was very smart to record achievment dates. Its almost like a forensic dna fingure print. How many achievments do you think you have to record in order to I'd someone? All the wsg ones? Only thing that can get around this is a reroll. But who wants to do that if they have just completed a twink.



With only a few general achievements and dates and watching when the other chars login and out it won't take long to find him. I'm not sure if I CBA finding him now tbh, I got 2nd agm (thanks to wife logging in while I'm at work lol), boa shoulders and chest and would rather spend my time getting boa bow and transferring to blackout EU for some wsg than stalking some arsehole around EU servers ;)



Back to achievements and Wow armory data, I wrote some code a while back to import, parse and store the wow armory XML to display a guild achievement page for an old guild website I used to GM, an example is here :



» Achievements



I unpacked all of the achievement icons from the wow files so the achievement lists look all pretty and shiny :)



BTW, this website code above is a modded wordpress install and is very easy to setup for any twink guilds who want a website. Check it out and if you like it and want a copy with your guildname, logo, your own video header (fraps and sorensons pro ftw), graphics, color scheme etc send me a PM.
 
If you report him to a GM, usually they will look into it, ban him, and you will get MOST of your items and gold back to the guild bank. I remember being in one of the best bc raiding guilds (I couldn't raid at the time) but someone ninja'd all our shit (well over 20kg in items and gold) and a GM got pretty much all of it back :D
 
Ego said:
If you report him to a GM, usually they will look into it, ban him, and you will get MOST of your items and gold back to the guild bank. I remember being in one of the best bc raiding guilds (I couldn't raid at the time) but someone ninja'd all our shit (well over 20kg in items and gold) and a GM got pretty much all of it back :D



Our GM has reported, I've reported, GM's refuse to take action in what they see as an 'internal guild matter' :( I know of several raid guilds who've been cleaned out and as you say, GM's were quick to ban and restore items.



It's difficult to get a positive outcome from a GM ticket on our server. The only case I can remember of a twink getting good GM service was a 19 hunter who couldn't loot agm trinket due to server lag / you are not eligible to loot that item message. He had 0/12 trinkets and was going for 1st agm.



He reported and GM gave him the whole trinket! lol.
 
btw, if you google 'aelryn' or 'gulthon' this post comes up 3rd on google.co.uk



Lols!



Go Go twinkinfo SEO!
 
Never liked him! How could you do somthing like that to Havoc ? To the heart foundation of twinking ? I will NOT Forgive. :mad:
 
That sucks man, he sounds like he doesn't give a crap.



On another note , Bigbullox. Your the only twink I recognise from wow that has an account on here :)
 
Ego said:
If you report him to a GM, usually they will look into it, ban him, and you will get MOST of your items and gold back to the guild bank. I remember being in one of the best bc raiding guilds (I couldn't raid at the time) but someone ninja'd all our shit (well over 20kg in items and gold) and a GM got pretty much all of it back :D



or the GM will blame you, since its your fault this guy had the permission to do this, so basically he didnt do anything wrong.



EDIT: shame what happened though
 
I spend a LOT of time in Havoc, about 3 months dedication. Which is a lot compared to the time i had back then.



This is sad, and he will NEVER get a home in Blackout, NEVER.
 
Boglund said:
or the GM will blame you, since its your fault this guy had the permission to do this, so basically he didn't do anything wrong.



EDIT: shame what happened though



You're right, (thanks for the edit but no offense taken) :) There was no reason to allow officers to take more than an item or two out of tab 3 per day. With the exception of Nothdal / Aelryn / Gulthon, the GM and I knew all the other officers very well and had played with and against them for years and had total trust in them.



Giving our officers unfettered access to the bank was a way of showing them the trust we had in them. Every officer was allowed to invite 1 close friend to the guild and fully kit them out. Nothing quite like rolling in wsg with your bro or with a close friend at your side ;)



We should have thought this thru a bit more when promoted someone we only knew for a few months to officer. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.



/target self

/facepalm



I don't think I'll ever setup another twink guild, but if I do I'm going to use guild bank controls in a preventative rather than a permissive mode - to restrict/limit the scale for theft rather than to allow withdrawals.
 
Set one up on Draenor, to make another premading guild in Blackout. You will do good there
 
Stealing is a low thing to do and requires a certain mindset. The biggest punnishment this person has coming is being himself. A personality like this does not make for a nice person and he will find out soon enough (if he has not already). Never mind, it is a game after all and it just made him show his true nature.



Having said that, I find it a real shame towards Big and Jsy what he did. He ripped of some guys that tried to setup a very nice guild based on trust and friendship within the game. Both these guys made an effort to make this game a real pleasure to many. All they got back for it was gratitude, they asked for nothing but a fun guild. Allso the wsg etiquette was something I think a lot of player can take an example to. Staying polite was something that was the way to go in wsg's. Anyone who spoke badly would be repremanded by an officer (meaning if someone would complain about spitting etc by a guildy). Just to illustrate the atmosphere in the guild when active. To steal from a guild like this, well... I have no words for it really...



On the other hand I personally am really looking forwards to playing with my guildies on Blackout. I have now moved Penícíllín and Iïlïlïlïlïl to Al'Akir (for world pvp) and hope many of the guild will follow to a Blackout realm (I don't mind moving as I told Jsy allready).



P.s. I am an oficer in Havoc too, if anyone wonders "what the f" I'm talking about.
 
Bigbullox said:
You're right, (thanks for the edit but no offense taken) :) There was no reason to allow officers to take more than an item or two out of tab 3 per day. With the exception of Nothdal / Aelryn / Gulthon, the GM and I knew all the other officers very well and had played with and against them for years and had total trust in them.



Giving our officers unfettered access to the bank was a way of showing them the trust we had in them. Every officer was allowed to invite 1 close friend to the guild and fully kit them out. Nothing quite like rolling in wsg with your bro or with a close friend at your side ;)



We should have thought this thru a bit more when promoted someone we only knew for a few months to officer. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.



/target self

/facepalm



I don't think I'll ever setup another twink guild, but if I do I'm going to use guild bank controls in a preventative rather than a permissive mode - to restrict/limit the scale for theft rather than to allow withdrawals.



Right on man. This is the side of the gaming community you don't normally see. The part of the community that realizes being better than other WITH other people, is better than being better by yourself. He'll get his karma, no doubts about that.:cool:
 
Pezin said:
If he really has all that money, and really is a TwinkInfo forum regular, then he will read this and realize that you are tracking his achievements. Then, he will either not give a shit, or he will get a faction change, which resets your achievements to the date of the change (at least it did in my case).



Great post. I didn't bother to check my achievements AFTER i faction changed. Did a little more achievement detective work and found that some achievements ARE reset when you faction change (can only speak for EU) but most aren't.



World Event achievements seem to get reset, as do rep from the other faction and any achievements were the city changes from horde to ally, or where races change. e.g. the following achievements were reset for my char :



Silverwing Sentinel

Freedom of the Alliance

Noble Garden Hide a Brightly Colored Egg in Stormwind City.

Know Thy Enemy



etc.



But the rest seem to be set in stone. If anything the achievements being reset is more of a wow character fingerprint (as grabco put it) as it gives you the faction change date.



You're right about him not giving a shit. I just recorded his details so that If I meet him again on blackout I'll know. I don't like the idea of someone stealing and then sneaking around under a new identity.



What am I going to do If I do find him? link his new armory profile here and /ignore.



He doesn't give a toss, and posting this QQ has made me feel better already. I'm going to focus on grinding BoA emblems and catchup with old friends and make some new ones in blackout. Whats done is done and can't be undone.



The wife ([char=eu-Earthen+Ring]Elruthiel[/char] & [char=eu-Earthen+Ring]Samareynn[/char]) said something the other night that puts this into perspective, something like...



"You lost some pixels and found out that someone you trusted was an arsehole. Small price to pay. Its a game, in RL you would have lost a lot more than pixels".
 
Bigbullox said:
"You lost some pixels and found out that someone you trusted was an arsehole. Small price to pay. Its a game, in RL you would have lost a lot more than pixels".



So true.



Never had these kind of problems in <NineTeen> on Dunemaul. Was dictator in the guild and only me and a VERY small handful of trusted ppl was able to withdraw 1-2 items each day from item tabs. Guess it's the way to go.



Sry that this happend tho. Shame to see a helpful guild get raped like that.



- V
 
charity guilds are insanely rare now. The fact that it was on a dead battlegroup doesn't mean anything. Thats pathetic rly... some1 beat this guys ass IRL
 

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