Activity and Competition - Coexist

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I have to ask, did you even read this thread? This thread is not asking why 19s no longer pop.

This thread is about moving on and providing a suggestion for making everyone happy. This includes the highly competitive players that you speak of that are oh-so-numerous and the casual 19 twinkers who are in it for fun despite them apparently being so scarce. Nevertheless, I will go ahead and address your post:




You're incorrect and here is why:
If this is the case, why aren't these highly competitive guilds getting pops on their own? Why not even wargames?

These highly competitive players are the minority as it is unanimously understood and agreed upon. In every game this year I've seen perhaps 1-3 per faction in the entire game.


You can thank players such as Superstylin, Tellefella, Purj, Myrm, Myself, Shift, Awesome, Laurasia, and about 1-2 dozen players who I've never even seen before for the pops that we've had this year. You have not participated in a single one of the pops that we've had since December - March or so when we started getting more pops. If you had, you would see that the elitist / highly competitive guilds who you say " have been the guys making games pop since EXP off bgs started." Are not even present in the majority of these games, and when they are there are perhaps a slight handful of them.

If you leave pugs for the casual players / the "shit" players as you would describe them, and if these highly competitive players had the numbers to partake in wargames (which at this moment it appears they don't, wonder why that is? Minority?):

a. Competitive players will play competitive games with other competitive players and there will be no issues of class compositions / under geared players which appears to be the reason supplied by these highly competitive players for why games are no longer competitive and as a result they are not interested in 19s.

b. Casual players can also enjoy a game without getting gy farmed and being forced to afk and log for the evening.


Cheers,
Mocha

minority and majority are easily confused i s'pose...
 
I wonder Why the elitist freaks, who are oh so done with 19s, who have moved on etc are still posting on theese forums?
Just to showcase your delusional sense of entitlement? Or are you missing actually being "someone" in wow, even tho being a joke to most, or you just want to give up some free laughs?
Kids theese days ;)
 
I wonder Why the elitist freaks, who are oh so done with 19s, who have moved on etc are still posting on theese forums?
Just to showcase your delusional sense of entitlement? Or are you missing actually being "someone" in wow, even tho being a joke to most, or you just want to give up some free laughs?
Kids theese days ;)

Dear, cognitively zombified mothergoosing hipsters

Heaven forbid people who dedicate(d) substantial amounts of time, effort and thought check up on the state or current affairs of an enjoyed past time.

How dare we question those who have wronged the bracket before.

How dare we voice our opinion on a public, low level PvP forum.

How dare we discuss past, present and potential future issues using our knowledge from years of experience.

How dare us.

- The critically, analytically, logically driven minority
 
Dear, cognitively zombified mothergoosing hipsters

Heaven forbid people who dedicate(d) substantial amounts of time, effort and thought check up on the state or current affairs of an enjoyed past time.

How dare we question those who have wronged the bracket before.

How dare we voice our opinion on a public, low level PvP forum.

How dare we discuss past, present and potential future issues using our knowledge from years of experience.

How dare us.

- The critically, analytically, logically driven minority

so much talk, so little substance.. or you just wanted to grant us more free laughs I wonder?
 
so much talk, so little substance.. or you just wanted to grant us more free laughs I wonder?

???

Do you act this clueless on purpose or do u just do it for more free laughs?

ps r u going to address anything in my post or just label then entire thing as substanceless without providing any substance yourself

pps I could have just called you a fucking moron, but instead I decided to spell out a few of the reasons as to why some people who don't currently play keep an eye on what is happening in the community

ppps just because I didn't explicitly say it, doesn't mean I don't still think it

: )
 
???

Do you act this clueless on purpose or do u just do it for more free laughs?

ps r u going to address anything in my post or just label then entire thing as substanceless without providing any substance yourself

pps I could have just called you a fucking moron, but instead I decided to spell out a few of the reasons as to why some people who don't currently play keep an eye on what is happening in the community

ppps just because I didn't explicitly say it, doesn't mean I don't still think it

: )

Did you really expect Kiri to understand your post?
 
???

Do you act this clueless on purpose or do u just do it for more free laughs?

ps r u going to address anything in my post or just label then entire thing as substanceless without providing any substance yourself

pps I could have just called you a fucking moron, but instead I decided to spell out a few of the reasons as to why some people who don't currently play keep an eye on what is happening in the community

ppps just because I didn't explicitly say it, doesn't mean I don't still think it

: )

Did you really expect Kiri to understand your post?

still waiting for an explanation why if you lot are so numerous, why no pops?
[MENTION=3992]Karmaz[/MENTION], you have a black belt in bullshit. But it's still bullshit...
 
I find it hard to read posts with poor sentence structure.

No, you find it easier to side step my question.

why is this bracket in the worst state it's ever been on your ( the majority's ) watch?

can you understand that? Or should I get karmaz to write you an essay...
 
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No, you find it easier to side step my question.

why is this bracket in the worst state it's ever been on your ( the majority's ) watch?

can you understand that? Or should I get karmaz to write you an essay...

Seeing as I didn't even understand the question, I don't think I had the power to ''side step''.

I'm not going to bother explaining why we're in this current state as it will all clear up in Summer and this argument won't even matter.

Don't even know what Karmaz has to do with 19s. I thought he hated 19s...


btw, you have the gayest avatar on ti. Gz!

I am contracted to Bananas Models, there is not a single gay thing about that mate. Jealousy hurts.
 
Seeing as I didn't even understand the question, I don't think I had the power to ''side step''.

I'm not going to bother explaining why we're in this current state as it will all clear up in Summer and this argument won't even matter.

i'll explain should i? it's because you don't have the numbers, simple.


I am contracted to Bananas Models, there is not a single gay thing about that mate. Jealousy hurts.

i'm not really sure what a banana model is if i'm honest, but i'm pretty sure you're on the wrong type on "twinking" site.
 
I haven't read the whole thread, but I think the stuff you mention about being open/friendly/welcoming is so key.

The F2P bracket (discounting P2P players) since its inception has been incredibly active I think in large part because of how open and welcoming it is. Having the F2P addons, endless guides, people with P2P accounts helping new players along, and a decent community just makes the whole experience much nicer.

I've played 19s super casually on EU. I really like the bracket and think it's really interesting and fun, but my god is even thinking about joining in on any community-related terrifying. I'm not an amazing player, I have done/do decently in PUGs but am in no way 1337. I've had a great many pleas for advice in BGs answered with mocking jeers. My first and only real foray into premading was a thoroughly harrowing experience and I got bawled out instantly for missing a fear.

The whole community seems to be based on vendettas and cartoonishly inflated egos. The apparent disgust that exists at having to play with any player that isn't 100% BiS, despite players like that being the reason you might be getting BG pops is stupid. It's like 24s complaining about the existence of F2Ps, when they're the reason their bracket actually works.

Massive essay, but as a TL;DR: New players would be encouraged if some of the current community could manage to be friendly and not c****.
 
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you left out most of the bracket being tossers, don't forget that one.

oh, and if us bads wasn't the majority, why are you pros not getting pop?

Are you really asking me this? I have provided you with the exact reason for why 19s has stopped popping in the exact text that you are quoting. If you are going to quote someone you should try and actually read it before asking stupid questions that has already been answered.
19s stopped popping because the core competitive players of the bracket stopped queuing, due to multiple reasons that I explained in my previous post. You should try and PM some of your friends on TI or have someone read for you as you seem to lack the ability.

The carebears of the bracket have exactly what they want. The majority of core competitive players are doing something else at the moment, be it other brackets/private servers/other games/school/work.
They can set up their own code of conduct, they can queue up on their meeles with a considerably lower risk of someone mentioning it. They can play O and D all day and live happily ever after.

Yet this does not happen.

There are several reasons why. A lot of the people complaining on forums actually do not play the bracket anymore, or if they do they often queue up considerably less then the majority of players who keep the bracket popping. A related reason why they can't get pops alone is just due to the simple fact that they do not have the numbers, they really don't have that many people who agree with them and are ready to queue up.

A third reason, which Is my personal favorite is the fact that they know that if the core competitive group of players come back they would just get stomped on their O and D combo and they would be stuck at graveyard once again, because not only are they inferior players gameplay-wise, they also cling on an ancient playstyle. I think this is an important aspect to understand why these players like to complain about the people who are top dawgs under this current meta, it is a way to make themselves feel better about being bad. "Things are fucked up anyway so if I suck it does not matter"
 
I haven't read the whole thread, but I think the stuff you mention about being open/friendly/welcoming is so key.

The F2P bracket (discounting P2P players) since its inception has been incredibly active I think in large part because of how open and welcoming it is. Having the F2P addons, endless guides, people with P2P accounts helping new players along, and a decent community just makes the whole experience much nicer.

I've played 19s super casually on EU. I really like the bracket and think it's really interesting and fun, but my god is even thinking about joining in on any community-related terrifying. I'm not an amazing player, I have done/do decently in PUGs but am in no way 1337. I've had a great many pleas for advice in BGs answered with mocking jeers. My first and only real foray into premading was a thoroughly harrowing experience and I got bawled out instantly for missing a fear.

The whole community seems to be based on vendettas and cartoonishly inflated egos. The apparent disgust that exists at having to play with any player that isn't 100% BiS, despite players like that being the reason you might be getting BG pops is stupid. It's like 24s complaining about the existence of F2Ps, when they're the reason their bracket actually works.

Massive essay, but as a TL;DR: New players would be encouraged if some of the current community could manage to be friendly and not c****.

Thank you. Your post made this whole thread worth the time, at least for me. It's good to be reminded there are people who could be joining any given community, but are frankly nervous about doing so.
 
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