a moral decision

Cant we just stroke our epeens like everyone else does instead of arguing about purity/nonpurity of f2ps?
Or any threads regarding this touchy topic.


Morale or not, majority of the bracket lacks backspine anyway so this thread is generally pointless.

In the end is you who plays the character,so face your own decisions yourself.
Not to mention that even your "closest" pals would probably sell you for a nasty enchant themselves.

Wonderful day.
 
Vets are the dark knights of the bracket. They're the ones who, while still playing the game, monthly, for free, have a fighting chance against a 29 shadowpriest. This is also huge for arenas where f2ps have absolutely 0 chance against 29s. Vets are not as powerful as 29s and never will be, but the competitive edge is brought to an area where the 20s have a fighting chance. Playing a vet gives life back to an unmanageable bracket.
 
Gulbon said:
Those who pay are no longer trials. The whole point of playing trial accounts was to play for free, and challenge yourself under a set of conditions that forced you to gear and play differently than a P2P account. The bracket thrived because it was unique, but now that people are converting to P2P, the uniqueness is gone. People used to play trial accounts for the uniqueness, the challenge of being forced to change your playstyle, and because a F2P vs F2P is much more balanced than a P2P vs P2P. Now, people just care about being the best, even if it means defeating the whole purpose of why this bracket came to be in the first place.
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No, no, no. Those things are what F2P mean to you. You don't get to define what it means for everybody. Only yourself. I've played F2P for nearly four years because I couldn't justify the continuous $15 a month that I would have to sustain in order to access my characters, and the accompanying feeling that I should be playing all the time in order to justify my monetary investment, when I don't really have time to be playing all the time. If I were subscribing, I would feel compelled to play at end-game, which I don't like because (at the time) there were too many redundant abilities, and most importantly, you had to constantly grind to stay gear-effective whereas you could stop at a lower level and get BIS and just concentrate on playing.

So no, your own personal reasons for playing F2P do NOT necessarily match everyone else's, and I would thank you to please refrain from pushing your moral ideals onto other people. What every person who is bringing up a moral argument needs to realize, is, by doing that, you're actually the one projecting your own morals onto other people and creating the real divide in the community. If you actually cared about the community at all, you would allow it to naturally evolve and not run around trying to restrain and/or condemn everyone who isn't complying with your personal, archaic concepts of morality.

This isn't directed solely at Gulbon, but at everyone who continues to try to turn this into a moral argument, when in fact it is simply a few people trying to bully everybody else into conforming with their own intentions. It needs to stop; it isn't fair.
 
Gulbon said:
I have an old account I still pay for, but it's not linked to my trial.
I could easily afford the 5 dollars but I choose not to.


Those who pay are no longer trials. The whole point of playing trial accounts was to play for free, and challenge yourself under a set of conditions that forced you to gear and play differently than a P2P account. The bracket thrived because it was unique, but now that people are converting to P2P, the uniqueness is gone. People used to play trial accounts for the uniqueness, the challenge of being forced to change your playstyle, and because a F2P vs F2P is much more balanced than a P2P vs P2P. Now, people just care about being the best, even if it means defeating the whole purpose of why this bracket came to be in the first place.

I'm a F2P twink. Paying 5 dollars makes me a P2P twink, thus ruining everything that our twinks, and this bracket were. Paying isn't evolving. You aren't an evolved F2P twink, you're just a P2P twink
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That at was the old challenge, the new challenge is restrictions from glyph and a few talents.

Evovle is defined as - to undergo a gradual change; develop

^ ever patch has done just that. Your original intention to not pay for the game to stay a f2p is fine. F2p going to Vet is the new change.


the old saying was p2p needed f2p for this bracket to be active. The truth is our bracket is so amazing because we have :

1) pure f2p
2) p2p with restrictions
3) 20s with no restrictions
4) 21-28s
5) 29s
6) vets
7) vets with 2 sets of gear

all I'm saying is let people do what they want and don't sh^t on them.
 
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If you want complete purity, you can be a wandering isle stayer. I hear they're always looking for more people. :rolleyes:
 
The fun of being a ftp is the challenge of being the underdog.

When you pay to be a veteran with enchant you might as well join departure lounge and be a 29 imo.
 
so i thought i would calculate the gains from guild and necklace heirlooms compared to enchants. this is what i got.

comparing cloth int items, using values from http://www.twinkinfo.com/forums/f43/gear-scaling-index-61966/
Tattered Dreadmist Mask with Lucky Fishing Hat - Item - World of Warcraft (not easily obtainable either) gives +9 int, -2 stam, +12 haste
Tattered Dreadmist Leggings with Silk-Threaded Trousers gives -4 int, +3 stam, +6 crit, +6 haste
Ancient Bloodmoon Cloak with Battle Healer's Cloak gives +1 int, +4 stam, +4 crit, +4 haste
Eternal Horizon Choker with Brilliant Necklace gives +2 int, +7 stam, +7 crit
total +8 int, +12 stam, +17 crit, +22 haste
average per gear +2 int, +3 stam, +9.75 secondary stat

from this page https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Aysr8WcIId_KOAARNNRUtqNH32_SaIlPn14YF64UXgk/pubhtml#
Gift of Critical Strike - Spell - World of Warcraft gives +19 crit
Secret Crane Wing Inscription - Spell - World of Warcraft gives +5 int, +1 crit
Gift of Critical Strike - Spell - World of Warcraft gives +25 crit, 10% movement
Glorious Stats - Spell - World of Warcraft gives +2 int, +2 stam
Super Intellect - Spell - World of Warcraft gives +4 int
Glove Reinforcements - Spell - World of Warcraft gives +12 stam
Master's Spellthread - Spell - World of Warcraft gives +6 int, +5 stam
Boar's Speed - Spell - World of Warcraft gives +4 stam, 8% movement
Gift of Critical Strike - Spell - World of Warcraft gives +13 crit (ring x2)
for weapon, i didnt use proc effects even though they are better cos would be hard to calculate
Major Intellect - Spell - World of Warcraft gives +12 int
total +29 int, +23 stam, +71 crit, 10% movement (cos movement dont stack)
average per enchant +2.64 int, +2.09 stam, +6.45 secondary stat

looking at that, it seems to me that the heirlooms give about the same stat as enchants per piece, so they are equally good.
unless those of you who are saying enchants make all the difference are talking about the number of slots that can be enchanted that give more stats in total than the heirlooms.
or are you saying the weapon proc effect and movement speed makes all the difference?
 
Neon said:
The fun of being a ftp is the challenge of being the underdog.

When you pay to be a veteran with enchant you might as well join departure lounge and be a 29 imo.
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WHAT CHALLENGE? there is no challenge anymore. Do you remember when f2ps actually stood a chance with superior skill against 24 premades? I remember Ursin kids beating 5 man 24 premades all the time. It's not possible anymore. The gap is too large between f2p and 29, f2p is practically unplayable as of now.
 
I can't hear your morals over the sound of my Keg Smash.





:Kappa:

On a more serious note, seeing as i've encountered many Vets thus far, it all sounds a bit hypocritical to me.. cry and cry about P2P looms/chants when some of you jumped on the bandwagon. I don't think it's a bad thing.. but if you're going to complain about something, then do it when it's available, it makes you look a little silly. Like Lanky said, seems as though some of you don't want balance at all.
 
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CaptainPonysock said:
WHAT CHALLENGE? there is no challenge anymore. Do you remember when f2ps actually stood a chance with superior skill against 24 premades? I remember Ursin kids beating 5 man 24 premades all the time. It's not possible anymore. The gap is too large between f2p and 29, f2p is practically unplayable as of now.
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They beat 5 man 29 as well
 
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Neon said:
CaptainPonysock said:
WHAT CHALLENGE? there is no challenge anymore. Do you remember when f2ps actually stood a chance with superior skill against 24 premades? I remember Ursin kids beating 5 man 24 premades all the time. It's not possible anymore. The gap is too large between f2p and 29, f2p is practically unplayable as of now.
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They beat 5 man 29 as well
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I haven't seen any of them in months, so I doubt that.
 
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LOL @ the same people preaching morals to everyone over the high-level talents bug a few months ago, now saying "don't try and push your morals on me".

lmao @ the hypocrisy
 
The whole idea of giving trials their own section and call it "f2p twinking " was wrong. It should have been a sub section of the former 20-24 and now the 20-29 bracket. It is where it is a part of while it gave an idea that it is a thing on its own and creates all the hate and so do the terms f2p and p2p. I am so tired of this argument that f2p is so much better and p2ps are scum and vica versa but this change would place it in the right spot. As a veteran account player I feel I do not belong in any of the 2 sections and on the same time I do belong in both because I am best of both and would suggest to make a sub section in the 20-29 bracket forum for "trial account" and "veteran account" and remove the current "f2p twink" section and put it in there. The game evolved so tag along please TI.
 
This morality shit sounds like something that could come out of a cheesy movie. This ain't 2011 anymore guys and gals, f2ps lost their relevance and competitiveness a while ago.
 
Inb4 3 sections for pure f2p, vets/p2p restriction & 21- 29s p2p. Never should have had separate sections. It actually fueled Twink Segregation. Me having a 29 , 20 p2p and pure f2p I'm so confused. I hate and love myself all at the same time. Lol

#LetMyPeopleGo
 
This is no longer the F2P Bracket. It's to 20-29 bracket. You can be a Veteran account and still play for free. People are confusing Veteran and Subbed.
 
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