My experience using the items. We did 5v5 1v1s for about a month during Korraks for hours each night and I got noticeable damage changes. In my small burst windows the maces 2-3 auto attacks in opener would add to More damage overall.
But that doesn't make sense.
It sounds fun but what exactly do you mean by it? how does it work?
outlaw kills most classes with full burst in a cheap shot
Best case scenario, you already have full roll the bones up and you then cheap shot someone. It's a 4 second stun because let's say your opponent doesn't have any stun reduction (what the hell is he doing). You obviously spend the first global casting the cheap shot, leaving you 3 globals to do damage before the cs expires.
unsure where all your math comes from, the disparage in baseline values is not as high as you are suggesting
The damage values are the average hits from the sim which takes into account stuff like roll the bones, dancing steel procs, necklace proc, trinkets, higher crit chance etc. I took them directly from the sim results I linked earlier in this thread.
i get that, but i can't imagine they are correct. Especially since my stats and baseline damage are different in game than in your sim
Yeah I know it's not always super intuitive to think about all the factors. The average cast of a dispatch (for example) is increased by quite a lot when you have +1% crit, for example. Something you don't necessarily think about.
sure, but with 1.03% increase it is not that different. Especially since it is baked into the actual values already displayed in my screenshot
nono the mouseover tooltip doesn't take into account your chance to crit, just displays the base noncrit damage.
Yes but the value of the crit damage is determined by base damage
Yeah of course. I'm just saying that the additional crit provided by the hand is another reason why the average ability damage difference is higher than you would think intuitively. It's not the only factor just one of the less intuitive ones.
Sure, but my question is, how does 3 damage baseline turn into 17 damage per sinister strike with all procs and a max crit?
Basically when you're just opening your spellbook outside of combat and comparing base damage numbers you're ignoring a lot of factors.
Sure, and short of math I’m not willing to do I accept your points. I personally have never trusted simcraft at 70 and have found it to be void of extra points like combat potency on a slower weapon and the actual possibility of auto attacks to hit twice even with a slower weapon in a small window. Also just to touch on your outlaw rotation, your ideal rotation, on a target void of trinket and cool downs, assuming you’ve forced those out of them, is to open cheap>roll>sinister double proc> pistol shot proc > and between the eyes at the end of the cheap. In almost 90% of fights, they are dead by the between the eyes
Right, I just wanted to optimize for most damage possible in a single cheap shot for the comparison.
Oh believe me, I know it’s a great program and website. I’ve used it a lot for other specs, I just play outlaw a ton (played) and I feel like at 70 there are so many small ways to optimize dps and the slower weapon allows for higher burst in openers. The numbers more than likely don’t lie, but auto attacks with the haste I have hit more than 1x per opener and the difference in weapon speed for my build is not large enough to add extra auto attacks for an opener with hand over the mace . Also I found during that dead zone where transitioning to a finishing move, a 900 crit auto is better than a 600 crit auto
You have less attack power, you have less crit, your abilities hit lower, your autoattack dps is lower. But the individual autoattack swings are higher, which only matters in burst windows where the hand and headcracker hit the same amount of times. So you realize that as soon as the hand hits a 2nd time, approximately 1.5 seconds into any given fight, the hand becomes better?
