70 Twink Resto Druid - Can anyone help?

[Metamorfos]

The way I see it for now is as follows:

		health	%dr	EH
Jicz	10 resi 15 sta	16144	43,39	28517,93		37,97637	EH gain
	30 sta	16294	42,94	28555,91		0,133167	% gain
Ivysaur	2x 34 resi	14834	43,62	26310,75		316,7288	EH gain
	2x 51 sta	15854	40,46	26627,48		1,2038	% gain
formula EH	= health/(1-(%dr/100))

I used chardev, armory and the EH formula provided here How Resilience Scales - With Graphs - Forums - World of Warcraft to get my figures. I'm not sure if I'm right either as I came to different conclusions doing different calculations in the past .

Either way, the thing that you might want to keep in mind when gemming resi or stamina is explained nicely in this post: Stamina Vs Resilience - With Graphs! - Forums - World of Warcraft

Edit:

If one was to go with Jicz's setup and replace most resi gems with sta gems, than you would have something like this:

		health	%dr	EH
Jicz	normal	16144	43,39	28517,93		182,9513	EH gain
	full sta	20524	28,49	28700,88		0,641531	% gain

used following chardev: chardev 9 and Jicz @ Stormscale - Game Guide - World of Warcraft

 

[dogform]

i am just trying to get a good balance inbetween stam/resi. if I had 21.5 hp with MotW, it would just take ages to heal that up and it would burn a lot more mana, so don't think it's working the way most people are saying

now for example I have 18k HP fullbuffed, 14.5k mana and 761 resi with flask (45.5%ish) and I find that really good

 

[glancealot]

resil is clearly better than stamina for a druid because you can heal yourself.

so not only resil increases your effective health, it also increases your effective (self) healing.

like i said, most people don't even understand the most basic mechanisms of this game, so brutal is a better choice for you. for the rest of us, two piece T5 is better.

 

[threesets]

i feel like using the 2 piece t5, for the instant regrowth will result in too much over healing, therefore wasted mana

 

[dogform]

resil is clearly better than stamina for a druid because you can heal yourself.

so not only resil increases your effective health, it also increases your effective (self) healing.

like i said, most people don't even understand the most basic mechanisms of this game, so brutal is a better choice for you. for the rest of us, two piece T5 is better.

so you are saying I don't understand the mechanics of this game? Interesting, I would say the same about you. 14k hp, as I've mentioned before you have time to die twice in garrote with that amount. and 10k mana? actually seems like some kind of joke, learn to fakecast instead of losing a great amount of stats

 

[glancealot]

so you are saying I don't understand the mechanics of this game? Interesting, I would say the same about you. 14k hp, as I've mentioned before you have time to die twice in garrote with that amount. and 10k mana? actually seems like some kind of joke, learn to fakecast instead of losing a great amount of stats

163 flag caps in 165 WSG's played.

if you ask me, that's pretty good for dying twice everytime i get garroted.

1, i don't have JC because i am broke, and really can't be bothered to level JC even if i had the gold.

2, i use (cloth) rocket boots for an extra life, most druids don't. and of course i take them off when i am flag running.

3, i use cloth pants because it has the perfect amount of haste which would push me to 12.5% for an extra tick of rejuv, it means almost 25% more healing when you keep people around you rejuv'd.

4, i use the unyielding set and two pvp trinkets because resil is king for a druid.

5, i use two piece T5 for instant regrowth, frees up a precious talent point in NS too.

6, i use two piece feral brutal because they come with the perfect amount of haste which would push me to 12.5% for an extra tick of rejuv, it means almost 25% more healing when you keep people around you rejuv'd.

being a graduate student majored in statistics, it feels like like playing the zither to cows when i try to explain the reasons behind my set-up to people who fail highschool math/statistics.

 

[Shermaan]

163 flag caps in 165 WSG's played.

if you ask me, that's pretty good for dying twice everytime i get garroted.

1, i don't have JC because i am broke, and really can't be bothered to level JC even if i had the gold.

2, i use (cloth) rocket boots for an extra life, most druids don't. and of course i take them off when i am flag running.

3, i use cloth pants because it has the perfect amount of haste which would push me to 12.5% for an extra tick of rejuv, it means almost 25% more healing when you keep people around you rejuv'd.

4, i use the unyielding set and two pvp trinkets because resil is king for a druid.

5, i use two piece T5 for instant regrowth, frees up a precious talent point in NS too.

6, i use two piece feral brutal because they come with the perfect amount of haste which would push me to 12.5% for an extra tick of rejuv, it means almost 25% more healing when you keep people around you rejuv'd.

being a graduate student majored in statistics, it feels like like playing the zither to cows when i try to explain the reasons behind my set-up to people who fail highschool math/statistics.

All of this is bullshit, 163 caps? who even gives a shit about how many flags they'e capped.

1. Twink is a twink, pointless not getting the best items for it so getting jc is a must or gtfo.

2. Pointless 90% of the time, unless you find yourself running into like 5 enemies by yourself.

3. All bull, why would you use cloth pants seriously I don't even have to explain why this is a retard move.

4. Unyielding is balls as you don't even get much more resi than guardians/jp belt, oh ye and its cloth.

5. Free's up a precious talent point in NS? NS is a precious talent, to not take it even with 2 set t5 is ridicuolous, and with 2 set t5 you will go oom alot if you abuse it.

6. ....................................................................................................................


feels like im talking zither to the cows when tyring to explain the reasons why people are bad

 

[glancealot]

All of this is bullshit, 163 caps? who even gives a shit about how many flags they'e capped.

1. Twink is a twink, pointless not getting the best items for it so getting jc is a must or gtfo.

2. Pointless 90% of the time, unless you find yourself running into like 5 enemies by yourself.

3. All bull, why would you use cloth pants seriously I don't even have to explain why this is a retard move.

4. Unyielding is balls as you don't even get much more resi than guardians/jp belt, oh ye and its cloth.

5. Free's up a precious talent point in NS? NS is a precious talent, to not take it even with 2 set t5 is ridicuolous, and with 2 set t5 you will go oom alot if you abuse it.

6. ....................................................................................................................


feels like im talking zither to the cows when tyring to explain the reasons why people are bad

1, i guess you are right, i might pick up JC when i renew my sub.
2, where did you get 90% from?
3, because they come with haste, which is a yellow stat which is hard to get when you stack resil.
4, hrm, actually a lot more resil, you are not looking at the numbers, you are talking out of your arse.
5, no NS means one less keybind to memorize which means more braincells for other things.
6, what?

 

[dogform]

163 flag caps in 165 WSG's played.

if you ask me, that's pretty good for dying twice everytime i get garroted.

1, i don't have JC because i am broke, and really can't be bothered to level JC even if i had the gold.

2, i use (cloth) rocket boots for an extra life, most druids don't. and of course i take them off when i am flag running.

3, i use cloth pants because it has the perfect amount of haste which would push me to 12.5% for an extra tick of rejuv, it means almost 25% more healing when you keep people around you rejuv'd.

4, i use the unyielding set and two pvp trinkets because resil is king for a druid.

5, i use two piece T5 for instant regrowth, frees up a precious talent point in NS too.

6, i use two piece feral brutal because they come with the perfect amount of haste which would push me to 12.5% for an extra tick of rejuv, it means almost 25% more healing when you keep people around you rejuv'd.

being a graduate student majored in statistics, it feels like like playing the zither to cows when i try to explain the reasons behind my set-up to people who fail highschool math/statistics.

never said you died twice while being garroted. I said you had time to die twice. Thought you could read. oh and btw, any halfbrained rogue would kill you in garrote, if not that is because US-rogues are terrible, even worse than EU.

1. people like you are considered nontwinks, just fyi.
2. not sure if I am going to laugh or cry
3. ye and I can see you have 190 spirit, maybe you can rejuv 5 targets and then you are already halfoom.
4. you know what is better? even more resilience/intellect/spirit while wearing brutal.
5. with 190 spirit, 10k mana and abusing this with a manacost of 830 each regrowth you'll have time to do 10 regrowths + some hots. with your lack of spellpower and with wound poison up that is 40k healing if every regrowth crits (most likely not, so lets say 30-35k healing until you are oom. ye you sound like a real survivor. and btw, NS is not only used for regrowth. so many times I have NS'd hibernate/root to win arenagames or being able to flee in bg's
6. pretty much same here as in 3)

please make a video of yourself duelling a pverogue. I would love to see how quick you would die, or nvm maybe you'll oom before spamming regrowth.

PS. full pve BiS-rogue did 25.4k damage to me during garrote with synapse up. I was in dogform during garrote and had 761 resi. Lucky for me I have spinal so he didn't score a kill and that made me cap the flag. so my statement fits on you "you have time to die twice in garrote with that amount of HP"

 

[Vapriest]

Keep the discussion on topic and friendly please

 

[glancealot]

never said you died twice while being garroted. I said you had time to die twice. Thought you could read. oh and btw, any halfbrained rogue would kill you in garrote, if not that is because US-rogues are terrible, even worse than EU.

1. people like you are considered nontwinks, just fyi.
2. not sure if I am going to laugh or cry
3. ye and I can see you have 190 spirit, maybe you can rejuv 5 targets and then you are already halfoom.
4. you know what is better? even more resilience/intellect/spirit while wearing brutal.
5. with 190 spirit, 10k mana and abusing this with a manacost of 830 each regrowth you'll have time to do 10 regrowths + some hots. with your lack of spellpower and with wound poison up that is 40k healing if every regrowth crits (most likely not, so lets say 30-35k healing until you are oom. ye you sound like a real survivor. and btw, NS is not only used for regrowth. so many times I have NS'd hibernate/root to win arenagames or being able to flee in bg's
6. pretty much same here as in 3)

please make a video of yourself duelling a pverogue. I would love to see how quick you would die, or nvm maybe you'll oom before spamming regrowth.

PS. full pve BiS-rogue did 25.4k damage to me during garrote with synapse up. I was in dogform during garrote and had 761 resi. Lucky for me I have spinal so he didn't score a kill and that made me cap the flag. so my statement fits on you "you have time to die twice in garrote with that amount of HP"

1, well i didn't feel like to drop mining to pick up JC, because for all that hassle, the benefit i get is whatever "42resil minus 60stam" is. i tried to spend most of my /played pvping, i am not one of those BiS twinks with 700 HK's. but like i said, if i do renew my sub, i will probably pick up JC.

2, why?

3, not really...you are exaggerating...i drink whenever i am out of combat, i don't really go OoM a lot in BG's.

4, you are confused, unyielding set is belt+bracers, i need that extra res because i am wearing 2 piece T5 thus losing almost 80 resil.

5, without instant regrowth, i could sometimes die with 80% mana left. there is simply not a lot you can do against a good fire or arcane mage or a good rogue if you don't have instant regrowth.

6, same as 3.

btw i don't have spinal healing so maybe my PoV is different from yours.

 

[dogform]

5, without instant regrowth, i could sometimes die with 80% mana left. there is simply not a lot you can do against a good fire or arcane mage or a good rogue if you don't have instant regrowth.

you can fakecast, you can hot yourself up and go bearform. treeform, NS. plenty of options

 

[glancealot]

you can fakecast, you can hot yourself up and go bearform. treeform, NS. plenty of options

which part of my setup tells you that i don't fakecast/hot myself up or go bearform/treeform?

i do those already, instant regrowth is a bonus.

 

[vixey]

5, without instant regrowth, i could sometimes die with 80% mana left. there is simply not a lot you can do against a good fire or arcane mage or a good rogue if you don't have instant regrowth.

Sorry but that makes next to no sense...


Arcane mage is supposed to kill you during blanket silence
Fire mage is supposed to DB -> cast a fucking long retard spell
Rogue is supposed to kill you in silence/stun lock

How is instant regrowth after wasting globals on shapeshifting going to help you in those cenarios?
Cause the resi/stamina loss doesn't seem at all beneficial. To be honest, and let me remind you I never played druid at 70 nor I tryed/tested anything I'm speaking about, but I would see that instant regrowth good vs melees without 2 much stun locks like DKs or enhance shamans.

Like jicz said, keep yourself hotted and use survival/WTF CDs with half a brain and you don't need to invent with that shit gear

 

[glancealot]

keep yourself hotted and use survival/WTF CDs with half a brain

you can still do those things with two piece T5.

 

[Sharlindra]

Totaly agree with a Dog about the t5 shitset.
And if you guys are running at 12.5% of haste, omfg why cant you cap it to the 15.09 and get one more LB tick???

 

[mrdoobry]

With regards to Resil vs Stam, EH does not take into account getting caught at anything under full health. With more res you are going to have better survivability getting caught at say 5k health than someone with an overall higher health pool with less res.

A balance of scenarios.

 

[glancealot]

Totaly agree with a Dog about the t5 shitset.
And if you guys are running at 12.5% of haste, omfg why cant you cap it to the 15.09 and get one more LB tick???

30 more haste, which is 1.5 socket worth of stats, for 1 more tick of lifebloom when you have 11 ticks to begin with. not worth it. plus lifebloom is really about the end bloom.

 

[aggymaggy]

jicz knows his stuff

also skills > gear

 

[dogform]

jicz knows his stuff

also skills > gear

hehe, thanks! :>