Well I have a 69 twink rogue (or what was twinked a year ago), and I was just wondering if anyone could possibly make a chardev or something with BiS gear? I know the stuff I have probably isn't BiS anymore. I'd give you a link to armory, but he's been inactive for too long and doesn't show up..
69 rogue gear..
- Thread starter Whaty
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Comewhatmay - Horde - Illidan (missing fel leather leggings/shoulder enchant)
Chardev hasn't updated to 4.0 so it's not very helpful
Chardev hasn't updated to 4.0 so it's not very helpful
Compare this link: The World of Warcraft Armory - Moltie @ Krag'jin - Profile
Atm my rogue is equiped with mixed gear to get the balance between dmg and health. Thats perfect for funny WSG's.
But I'm working on dmg gear - that means same gear but only agi gems and ap, agi enchants so the crits become more and more amazing
In general you should go farming items with max socket slots in regard to Cataclysm when new gems are introduced. At the moment some wotlk quest rewards without sockets have better stats than "weaker bc-items" with sockets. The new gems come with 40!!! agi wtf and if there is no change of restriction we can use them.
Iroared presented some really good ideas like his offhand or waist.
And if you are lucky with the auction house then try to get a 69 waist, thrown-weapon and rings with "of the bandit" stats for BiS and better than all quest rewards.
Engineering is must have but your second profession is your choice. I prefer Blacksmithing cause with Cata-gems it brings the double amount of stats by other professions. Pre 4.01 Herbalism was found on many twinks through all brackets but has been nerfed hard so that the heal effect is reduced to 1/3 of the previous amount. On the other side they added a 20% haste effect for 20sek that you do not really need as a rogue whose strength lies in hard openers.
Remember that you are able to put an additional "enchanting-enchant" on your items that only had an engineering enchant before 4.01 e.g. ZG head enchant (make quick, in 3 weeks it will be removed!), shadow armor on cloak, tuskars on boots etc. Oh and if you want your rogue becoming perfect get also ZG shoulder enchant - I might remember that it has 5 additional ap (not sure but nearly 5) as the Aldor one that is acivated at level 65. You need exalted with Zandalar tribe with your 69 to get it for Cured Mammoth Hide Mantle (BiS shoulders). Hurry up ^^
a chardev profile will follow soonly ;-)
Atm my rogue is equiped with mixed gear to get the balance between dmg and health. Thats perfect for funny WSG's.
But I'm working on dmg gear - that means same gear but only agi gems and ap, agi enchants so the crits become more and more amazing
In general you should go farming items with max socket slots in regard to Cataclysm when new gems are introduced. At the moment some wotlk quest rewards without sockets have better stats than "weaker bc-items" with sockets. The new gems come with 40!!! agi wtf and if there is no change of restriction we can use them.
Iroared presented some really good ideas like his offhand or waist.
And if you are lucky with the auction house then try to get a 69 waist, thrown-weapon and rings with "of the bandit" stats for BiS and better than all quest rewards.
Engineering is must have but your second profession is your choice. I prefer Blacksmithing cause with Cata-gems it brings the double amount of stats by other professions. Pre 4.01 Herbalism was found on many twinks through all brackets but has been nerfed hard so that the heal effect is reduced to 1/3 of the previous amount. On the other side they added a 20% haste effect for 20sek that you do not really need as a rogue whose strength lies in hard openers.
Remember that you are able to put an additional "enchanting-enchant" on your items that only had an engineering enchant before 4.01 e.g. ZG head enchant (make quick, in 3 weeks it will be removed!), shadow armor on cloak, tuskars on boots etc. Oh and if you want your rogue becoming perfect get also ZG shoulder enchant - I might remember that it has 5 additional ap (not sure but nearly 5) as the Aldor one that is acivated at level 65. You need exalted with Zandalar tribe with your 69 to get it for Cured Mammoth Hide Mantle (BiS shoulders). Hurry up ^^
a chardev profile will follow soonly ;-)
Moltie said:Compare this link: The World of Warcraft Armory - Moltie @ Krag'jin - Profile
Atm my rogue is equiped with mixed gear to get the balance between dmg and health. Thats perfect for funny WSG's.
But I'm working on dmg gear - that means same gear but only agi gems and ap, agi enchants so the crits become more and more amazing
In general you should go farming items with max socket slots in regard to Cataclysm when new gems are introduced. At the moment some wotlk quest rewards without sockets have better stats than "weaker bc-items" with sockets. The new gems come with 40!!! agi wtf and if there is no change of restriction we can use them.
Iroared presented some really good ideas like his offhand or waist.
And if you are lucky with the auction house then try to get a 69 waist, thrown-weapon and rings with "of the bandit" stats for BiS and better than all quest rewards.
Engineering is must have but your second profession is your choice. I prefer Blacksmithing cause with Cata-gems it brings the double amount of stats by other professions. Pre 4.01 Herbalism was found on many twinks through all brackets but has been nerfed hard so that the heal effect is reduced to 1/3 of the previous amount. On the other side they added a 20% haste effect for 20sek that you do not really need as a rogue whose strength lies in hard openers.
Remember that you are able to put an additional "enchanting-enchant" on your items that only had an engineering enchant before 4.01 e.g. ZG head enchant (make quick, in 3 weeks it will be removed!), shadow armor on cloak, tuskars on boots etc. Oh and if you want your rogue becoming perfect get also ZG shoulder enchant - I might remember that it has 5 additional ap (not sure but nearly 5) as the Aldor one that is acivated at level 65. You need exalted with Zandalar tribe with your 69 to get it for Cured Mammoth Hide Mantle (BiS shoulders). Hurry up ^^
a chardev profile will follow soonly ;-)
Thanks a bunch Moltie, for all the tips. I'll be looking at the AH for some of those 'of the Bandit' items like you said. Unfortunatly I prolly won't get my ZG head enchant. And I definitely won't be able to get the shoulder enchant. So I'll just have to grind away at Aldor rep and get that one some day.
I've written a 69 rogue twink guide at: http://www.twinkinfo.com/forums/user-submitted-guides/15281-69-rogue.html#post207188
Whaty said:
I have had several quest rewards changed by GMs
You just need to open a ticket and ask nicely.Atm I'm trying to determine which item of each slot is the true BiS for a 69 rogue. Last night I did a bit of maths regarding the off-hands, and it looks like the [item]Blackout Truncheon[/item] is best even though it has ~15dps less (makes up for it with the 2x agi gems).
why would you include that when the 10 agi gets similarly buffed. just look at it w/o the modifiers as like i said before; even after spec/armor prof it isnt that large of a difference. why not take a free lvl of stealth? especially if you arent NE? and even if you are NE (if they stack), take a further lvl of stealth.
Falkor said:
Those modifiers are going to always be there as they're talents/armor spec (unlike kings etc) so they're pretty important to take into account imo. At the end of the day, 14ap is still going to give 1 dps increase (and increase weapon damage by an amount equal to your weapon speed).
32ap + 8crit is about equivalent to a basic enchant (32 ap on boots for example) so it is quite a difference if that stealth increase isn't going to have much of an effect. I am pulled more towards the stealth enchant but I'm just trying to justify it to ensure I'm not wasting potential stats.
And for the record, Night Elves now only get an increase in stealth level when Shadowmelding (and 5% run speed for stealth).
exactly, the modifiers are always there. so why would you say 32 ap vs whatever ap when it's all relatively the same...seeing as both enchants benefit.
extra stealth is never bad. especially in an arena, but even in general BGs it can be quite helpful
"Elusiveness - passive (rogue/druid only)
Reduces the chance enemies have to detect you while shadowmelded or stealthed."
unless you have evidence to say otherwise, your record is wrong.
i'm also interested in your agi -> crit formula, especially since 4.0 where we get less crit from agility. so if you're using a formula pre 4.0, it's wrong; assuming it was even right pre 4.0
extra stealth is never bad. especially in an arena, but even in general BGs it can be quite helpful
"Elusiveness - passive (rogue/druid only)
Reduces the chance enemies have to detect you while shadowmelded or stealthed."
unless you have evidence to say otherwise, your record is wrong.
i'm also interested in your agi -> crit formula, especially since 4.0 where we get less crit from agility. so if you're using a formula pre 4.0, it's wrong; assuming it was even right pre 4.0
The weight of a stat becomes more valuable versus other stats if it has a constant modifier applied to it (for example: agi vs stamina, and in this case agi vs stealth). Figuring out exactly whether or not the stealth is worth the loss in agi means you'd have to take those modifiers into account.
Elusiveness: Elusiveness - Spell - World of Warcraft
I got my crit numbers by unequipping a piece of gear with agi on (and no crit rating), noting down the difference and dividing by the amount of agi on that item. I also did the same with crit rating so I could compare the two. I understand that stats scale, but with my current gear I got these values: Crit per agi = 0.69/21 = 0.033%, Crit per rating = 2.45/51 = 0.048% (that's including armor spec/talents).
So this 12 agi increase would give 12*0.033 = 0.396% crit, which in crit rating is 0.396/0.048 = 8.25 crit rating.
Elusiveness: Elusiveness - Spell - World of Warcraft
I got my crit numbers by unequipping a piece of gear with agi on (and no crit rating), noting down the difference and dividing by the amount of agi on that item. I also did the same with crit rating so I could compare the two. I understand that stats scale, but with my current gear I got these values: Crit per agi = 0.69/21 = 0.033%, Crit per rating = 2.45/51 = 0.048% (that's including armor spec/talents).
So this 12 agi increase would give 12*0.033 = 0.396% crit, which in crit rating is 0.396/0.048 = 8.25 crit rating.