5.2 making prot pally OP?

Lillhunter said:
Am I the only one who just goes to the bottom of wall of texts and reads the tl;dr?

Also what does tl;dr mean? :eek:
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Depends on who wrote it. And Salf went into some detail, but it's not a wall of text, in my opinion, since it's properly formatted into paragraphs. :)

Also I agree with him. I also think the warlocks that those calling locks in Cata weak base their opinions on are the majority of players that never even came close to the skill cap or even just decent timing. Like me, when I tried lock.
 
Ya I just read the whole thread and I agree with salf also.. It's pretty obvious actually so I'm not sure why anyone is trying to argue.

Even if you didn't/don't play a lock you can easily see a considerable difference between cata/mop. Bad locks are better in MoP. Good locks were better in cata. period. If you disagree go do some pvp vs the top 3 locks in this bracket and see for yourself.


Also you are basically arguing with kale who's been afk for a majority of mop so wouldn't know that much about some of the changes and artix who has been generally wrong about most of the stuff. He is trying the whole oh I play end game now so I must know what I'm talking about :rolleyes:




tl;dr how about we stop arguing with the person who made arguably the most in depth guide out of any class for this bracket and probably knows the most about locks out of anyone in this thread?
 
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Aradiel said:
I still think a lot of people liked locks so much that they had a much higher opinion of them than they deserved. Locks were not good, it's just people had such low HP, other people that played locks were so bad, that it gave an inflated sense of a lock's worth. Now people have more HP and resilience, so locks can't just "burst" people down. Well, no one can.

People think warriors are OP in 5.2 as well. While they do slightly more damage, they still die just as easily. Warriors also have no stealth and must push ahead to do any damage. Locks can still hang back and focus on positioning.

Pandas changed a lot of things (RIP ret) and healers are too OP, but hunters are now absolute trash... CC excluded. Good trade. Of course I'd still like to see heals Nerfed and the idiots playing this game to go for the healer and not tunnel vision on the DPS while a healer stands in place and turrets heals on it, but you can't have everything.
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Hunters are trash? What Hunter-experience do you have? Since Panda got released I've been top dmg-er in almost every BG I've played, solo'ing most healers (except dpriests since 5.2).

I mean, ofc Hunter isn't as good as it was in Cata but it's still one of the most OP classes currently.
 
Aradiel said:
Damage is meaningless if it gets healed through. My experience of hunters is that 90% of the game is no longer hunters. The hunters that are left run away or die while throwing some CC.
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Maybe you didn't read my post? As a BM-Hunter, I am able to solo most healers, I have no idea how that would be considered "pointless dmg".

~15 KBs each BG, keeping control over mid is usually not a hard task unless Horde runs with several Balance Druids.

I ask again: What Hunter-experience do you have? Or are you basing your assumptions on observations?
 
I was reading this thread and realized Aradiel is Kale? It makes sense now...

Bro, you've afk'd 1vs1 against me so many times it's ridiculous.

/afk
 
Aradiel said:
Yes, basing my hunter experience on observations.

I think a lot of people that think they were fighting me 1v1 failed to notice the other people coming up behind them. I have never, ever, left a game from a 1v1.
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I doubt you could even beat me 1v1 without using CDs.
 
Aradiel said:
Not at all. You're confusing your opinion and experience with facts. You don't have to agree with me, you can even have different experiences.

The facts though. Fact 1 hunters are no longer the most used class. Fact 2 apart from CC hunters are useless.

Now, while you may be able to solo "most" healers, I can assure you they are all bad. Hunters are terrible. Assuming equal skill, give me a healer over a hunter any day. There is no way a skilled healer will lose to a skilled hunter.
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A good BM hunter can beat most DPS classes. They have good damage and 3 interrupts.
 
Aradiel said:
Not at all. You're confusing your opinion and experience with facts. You don't have to agree with me, you can even have different experiences.
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You have done the exact same thing.

Aradiel said:
The facts though. Fact 1 hunters are no longer the most used class.
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Never did I say anything to opose this statement.

Aradiel said:
Fact 2 apart from CC hunters are useless.
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Now, this is your subjective observing as a non-Hunter. I think my opnion as an active Hunter weighs heavier.

Aradiel said:
Now, while you may be able to solo "most" healers, I can assure you they are all bad. Hunters are terrible. Assuming equal skill, give me a healer over a hunter any day. There is no way a skilled healer will lose to a skilled hunter.
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I fully understand you are not able to utilize a BM Hunter. Because if you knew how to play one, you'd also have known that with the right timing of your wasp-stun, intimidation and scatter shot almost anything can be killed.

I don't think you could find anyone that agrees with you that Hunters currently are useless.
 
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Apart from the "Oh, I'm more badass than you" talk in this thread, Hunters are not trash. Not at all. There are lots of bad ones tho. Lots of them. But if you play a hunter correctly and dont back-peddle away from who you are shooting at, you can be very effective. At the same time, a good heal will never lose to a hunter 1v1. Hell, I have never lost to a hunter 1v1 on my ele shammy because of my "off" heals. I made lil run from the LM only a coupe weeks ago ;P. No hunter will beat a good healer 1v1, but that by no means makes hunters trash. No dps class should be able to beat a competent healer 1v1, Unless of course you play a super lame prot pally like what this thread is about. If you know how to play a prot pally very well, you should be wrecking shit far too easily. Boring...
 
bigdip said:
Apart from the "Oh, I'm more badass than you" talk in this thread, Hunters are not trash. Not at all. There are lots of bad ones tho. Lots of them. But if you play a hunter correctly and dont back-peddle away from who you are shooting at, you can be very effective. At the same time, a good heal will never lose to a hunter 1v1. Hell, I have never lost to a hunter 1v1 on my ele shammy because of my "off" heals. I made lil run from the LM only a coupe weeks ago ;P. No hunter will beat a good healer 1v1, but that by no means makes hunters trash. No dps class should be able to beat a competent healer 1v1, Unless of course you play a super lame prot pally like what this thread is about. If you know how to play a prot pally very well, you should be wrecking shit far too easily. Boring...
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If you are familiar with the avrage skill-level of this bracket, then you should know that maybe 10% or less actually knows how to play their class to some extent. And that's basically why many decent/good Hunters successfully are able to solo a healer.
 
hunters are by far the best pure dps in the bracket. i can't think of a class that isn't soloable by a hunter, some are very hard to solo, but none are impossible.
 
Dramatized said:
If you are familiar with the avrage skill-level of this bracket, then you should know that maybe 10% or less actually knows how to play their class to some extent. And that's basically why many decent/good Hunters successfully are able to solo a healer.
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Indeed, hence the word Competent.
 
lawl, this thread is still going... what's the topic now?
 
bigdip said:
Apart from the "Oh, I'm more badass than you" talk in this thread, Hunters are not trash. Not at all. There are lots of bad ones tho. Lots of them. But if you play a hunter correctly and dont back-peddle away from who you are shooting at, you can be very effective. At the same time, a good heal will never lose to a hunter 1v1. Hell, I have never lost to a hunter 1v1 on my ele shammy because of my "off" heals. I made lil run from the LM only a coupe weeks ago ;P. No hunter will beat a good healer 1v1, but that by no means makes hunters trash. No dps class should be able to beat a competent healer 1v1, Unless of course you play a super lame prot pally like what this thread is about. If you know how to play a prot pally very well, you should be wrecking shit far too easily. Boring...
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Fighting good hunters as a prot pally is hard unless I use LOS. Unless I get some ranged crits in, I'm going to go oom very fast. Ele shams on the other hand have no mana problems so they can slowly dps down a hunter but it will take a long time but if you have low HP, you can die easily to a hunter. I feel you have some beef against Prot paladins.
 
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