39 shamans after 3.1.1 help

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I am debating doing a 39 twink shaman ally side. Can people give me some suggestions on spec choices, gear, and what all is good at 39 as a shaman. I will be gearing for all 3 specs, but I want to know which would be most viable for 39 twinking. I will be rolling occasionally with my 39 twink guild and friends, but I also will be doing a lot of pugging/ rolling with a warlock. If a 39 shaman should not be worth my time can you give me some suggestions on what class and or spec is worth me looking in too? Thanks!

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All three specs are viable depending on what you want to accomplish as a twink. Personally I enjoy Elemental and Enhancement, I switch between these two specs on my shaman. I find that Elemental, if played right, will have the higher survivability and possibly higher DPS. If you're looking for a more ezmode spec, then go Enhancement. I warn you now though you will be very reliant on WF. Instead of most shamans who use 2handers for big Wf crits. I prefer using MZF and The Green Tower. This gives me tremendous survivability, and 90% I can out DPS a 2hander shaman because of this. For 1v1s, Resto is the way to go. Good Resto shamans is incredibly hard to kill and can usually outlast any other class. Hope this helps:).
 
the two most VIABLE are probably 1h spell enhance (this is enhance with caster gear, played either full dps or as a hybrid dps/healer) and Resto.



Ele and 2h enhance work, but arent as strong overall imo. 2h enhance is probably bottom of the tree though.
 
ok what if I was debating doing a 39 resto shaman. What would be my best specs if I want to be able to heal and make a strong difference in my guilds premades and in WSG/AB games with a friend or two? Any suggestions on this are appreciated, and thanks for help so far!
 
Alteffour said:
the two most VIABLE are probably 1h spell enhance (this is enhance with caster gear, played either full dps or as a hybrid dps/healer) and Resto.



Ele and 2h enhance work, but arent as strong overall imo. 2h enhance is probably bottom of the tree though.
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lol shamelessly promoting that spellhance spec? You're mentioning specs that require playstyles other than healing as being worse every time, without saying how exactly they are worse. I wouldn't say they are worse, they are just obviously not the best at healing. If he doesn't want to heal then I'd suggest going elemental though...
 
Another reason why I do not personally like the idea of the spellhance spec as a draenei is the significant loss of healing from Gift of Naaru. With the recent buff, this has become an incredibly powerful racial. Enough so that stacking one stat, SP or AP makes the class much more viable. It isn't to much of a difference but enough to keep me in full AP gear.
 
Orcishbrutality said:
Another reason why I do not personally like the idea of the spellhance spec as a draenei is the significant loss of healing from Gift of Naaru. With the recent buff, this has become an incredibly powerful racial. Enough so that stacking one stat, SP or AP makes the class much more viable. It isn't to much of a difference but enough to keep me in full AP gear.
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I'd agree with that. My current gift of the naaru ticks for around 198 which is ridiculously OP. I'm still not too fond of this spellhance spec, it seems overly gimped in my opinion.
 
my GoN ticks for 178, different than 232 but not a big difference to the 190 guy.



Im not specifically talking about my particular version of 1h enhance mind you, but all of the varieties...maybe you guys have not payed attention enough but 1h enhance has been good for a while. It is certainly better than 2h enhance and offers a different play style than elemental. Also dps 1h enhancement with either AP or SP gear (I prefer SP due to healing and dps from spells not just melee) has nothing whatsoever to do with healing so please try to pay better attention before you try to troll my posts. Saying that it "seems gimped" without obviously trying it makes you just look foolish. Test it, if you dont like it, then thats totally cool, elemental is a fine spec and perhaps 1h just isnt your play style, but please save the comments on specs being bad for something youve actually tested.



Both of you completely missed the post also where he said he was interested in Resto...or the fact that he wants to do premades..



elemental and 2h enhance are completely not viable imo for premades...AND neither obviously can heal like 1h or even more so resto. Full resto is 100% the most viable for premade game play as a shammy, regardless of what the 2h and ele supporters above me might say.



If you really want to play premades as a healer then probably youll want to go full resto (7 in enhance for imp ghost and mana) picking up obvious talents in resto (but dont get the imp healing wave stuff as lesser healing wave is as good or better for healing as healing wave at lvl 39)
 
First of all don't make the assumption that I have not tested it. I have been 1h enhancement since 3.1 and I have tested both a SP enhancement build and a AP enhancement build. I was 2h enhance pre 3.1 for the entire life of my shaman. Second, I was not trolling what so ever, I merely pointed out that the Gift of Naaru spell bonuses more from either straight SP or straight AP. Please don't troll on assumptions.
 
tbh, Alteffour, I can understand you being a personal fan of the 1h enhance spec but for you to say "elemental and 2h enhance are completely not viable" is just as arrogant as you're accusing other people of being. this attitude pissed me off at end-game, and it certainly pisses me off in twink theory (and practice) too. Just because you can see the advantages to one spec, doesn't mean other people cannot, or that other specs aren't equally viable.



the important thing is, all of the mainstream specs (including 1h enhance, which has been arround since the improved ghostwolf - not since your post) are viable in certain situations. sure resto may be more suited to the generic premade, but a glass cannon 2h enhance offers burst that you simply wont achieve with the other specs.
 
Id like to see all you 1h enhance shamans kill twink casters. If your actually dumb enough to not switch to your 2h when fighting a clothie, you should seriously consider respeccing cause enhance is not for you.
 
I do perfectly fine against casters actually, I do occasionally switch to my 2hander to take out a clothy but most of the time I don't have a problem with them.
 
Orcishbrutality said:
I do perfectly fine against casters actually, I do occasionally switch to my 2hander to take out a clothy but most of the time I don't have a problem with them.
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All your doing is making your job harder by using sword n board on a caster, sure if you rely on wf you can take down a caster, but its A LOT easier with a 2her. I only use my shield against wars and rogues, and occasionally feral druids. Yea your gaining 390 health using mallet/green tower, but ur gimping your damage tremendously. 1h enhance shams are pretty much useless in a premade as our strength comes from our unmatched burst. I couldnt imagine trying to flag return using a 1her either. My point is that there is a time and place for using your sword n board, but my 2her gets alot more use and if your having survivability issues your problably not playing an enh sham right and/or you dont have netherweave bandages or above. Its incredibly easy to escape combat with instant ghostwolf/earthbind totem/depoison/imp frostshock.
 
Orcishbrutality said:
Which is why I said I occasionally switch to my 2hander...
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I more than occasionally use my 2her, i use it around 75% of fights i get into. It is good to keep mallet/tower equipped in case you get sneak attacked by that twink rogue, but i firmly believe you are taking away one of the great strengths of windfury by using a 1her/sheild combo too often. Also, has anyone noticed its harder to take down warriors post patch 3.1 with shield on? Wars used to be cake with a shield and now it seems a 2her may be better, im still not sure and going to have to test this out alot more.



edit: on a completely different note orcish, out of curiousity why are you using GoHM? as opposed to revolosh gloves of eagle/monkey?
 
Bromrotama said:
I more than occasionally use my 2her, i use it around 75% of fights i get into. It is good to keep mallet/tower equipped in case you get sneak attacked by that twink rogue, but i firmly believe you are taking away one of the great strengths of windfury by using a 1her/sheild combo too often. Also, has anyone noticed its harder to take down warriors post patch 3.1 with shield on? Wars used to be cake with a shield and now it seems a 2her may be better, im still not sure and going to have to test this out alot more.



edit: on a completely different note orcish, out of curiousity why are you using GoHM? as opposed to revolosh gloves of eagle/monkey?
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Because as he mentioned before he was going for a more AP intensive build rather than a stam/balanced. I use GoHM in my enh set as well.
 
I love it when my threads are always overrun by constant bickering among people about what spec works in each situation and how great their unique spec is. Everyone sounds like alteffour, the guy who swears by his 1h spellhance spec as being "top dps" spec for a shaman at 39? Ya that guy is who i am comparing everyone too who isn't even paying attention to the original intent of me making this thread, TO DECIDE ON GEAR FOR A RESTO/ELEMENTAL SHAMAN. Thank you and please bicker in another thread or open a flaming blog of some sort.
 
Apologies, here's my armory: [char=Dragonmaw]Sargeri[/char], my gear isn't perfect but it's a start for an ele build. I lack BoAs currently and I'll probably pick up either necromancer leggings or shadoweave pants because of the leg patch nerf, I haven't decided yet. I also wouldn't mind underworld band x2 and revelosh's spaulder's of nature's wrath and gloves of healing for a more SP intensive gear set when I'm so inclined.



I also made a resto build on chardev for you. I ran resto for a bit myself, but I pretty much used my ele gear for it at the time because I hadn't quite collected all my healing pieces, then +healing gear took the spellpower change so it wasn't necessary anymore.

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Lol but I do have to say you asked which specs people thought would be viable and that will lead to a heated debate generally.



Edit: just realized armory wasn't posted. o_O
 
Alteffour said:
elemental and 2h enhance are completely not viable imo for premades...AND neither obviously can heal like 1h or even more so resto. Full resto is 100% the most viable for premade game play as a shammy, regardless of what the 2h and ele supporters above me might say.
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lol you've still never explained how elemental or 2h enhance isn't viable for a premade. You say things like this and then accuse others of being foolish when they put down your unverifiable spec... I can easily off heal as support on an elemental spec and I've done so many times when there was no one else to heal our FC. It's not so discouragingly difficult as you seem to portray it. Other than completely trying to downplay any spec other than your strange hybrid spec which others have also brought into question over your gear/spec'ing from your armory I don't see you backing up your reasoning for calling the other specs not viable.



I'd say that both elemental and 2h enh specs can provide a huge amount of burst that could be very helpful when needing to return a flag or if playing defense with earthbind totems. They can also provide supportive abilities such as totems that would buff others and purging annoying buffs on opposite FC'ers/players, and ele shamans can heal very effectively in a clinch with lesser healing wave as it costs nearly nothing to cast and heals for a ton especially with SP gear.
 
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