EU+US 29s in Legion

[Persuasive]

Hi folks,

I'm curious about current thinking about the bracket in Legion. Will it remain relevant? Will people be satisfied with a negligible or non-existent stat advantage? Will people gravitate to different, maybe higher brackets?

For curiosity's sake, I tried to see what I could get for an ilvl on my grandfathered priest, and 44 equipped was the best I could come up with. There's most likely room for improvement, but not much and it most likely won't be achievable for new characters.

If my old information is still correct, that ilvl 44 means only a 1% stat increase over someone wearing literally no gear at all.

So what do people think? Can twinking evolve again to adapt to this change, or has it finally succumbed to Blizzard's irrational hatred?

 

[Miles]

Twinking will be "dead" in Legion. Anyone regardless of the bracket will just be a bracket player, not a twink. So pick and level bracket in Legion and try it out. With xpoff mixed with xpon bg's should be pop'n off.

 

[Persuasive]

Well, the higher you go, the bigger the ilvl gap you can manage. 89 and 99 brackets could have just as significant a gap between the best and worst geared players as there is now in the lower tiers.

 

[Yapah]

Hi folks,

I'm curious about current thinking about the bracket in Legion. Will it remain relevant? Will people be satisfied with a negligible or non-existent stat advantage? Will people gravitate to different, maybe higher brackets?

For curiosity's sake, I tried to see what I could get for an ilvl on my grandfathered priest, and 44 equipped was the best I could come up with. There's most likely room for improvement, but not much and it most likely won't be achievable for new characters.

If my old information is still correct, that ilvl 44 means only a 1% stat increase over someone wearing literally no gear at all.

So what do people think? Can twinking evolve again to adapt to this change, or has it finally succumbed to Blizzard's irrational hatred?

In terms of stats, you'll be around the same of a veteran or f2p, but you'll still have a ton more abilities. So 29's will still have an advantage.

 

[l30t53dd6p]

In terms of stats, you'll be around the same of a veteran or f2p, but you'll still have a ton more abilities. So 29's will still have an advantage.

The question here is will blizzard keep veterans and f2p from being able to lock xp and play battlegrounds. I have a strong feeling the blockage for f2p 19 will be lifted because there simply will not be a reason to do so anymore just like seperation

 

[Allybeboba]

Players will find a way to make it "fun". We always do.
I would imagine our big advantages will be in premading vs PuGs. In Cata and MoP we had a few LARGE guilds that dominated the scenes. As opposed to many small guilds. There is no reason we could not do that coming up in Legion.

 

[Kirise]

Well, the higher you go, the bigger the ilvl gap you can manage. 89 and 99 brackets could have just as significant a gap between the best and worst geared players as there is now in the lower tiers.

It turns out to be the same, actually -- all brackets are looking at a 2-3% difference at most. The lone exception may be the upcoming 100-109 bracket, but even that won't be a large margin.

 

[Pizza]

Will it remain relevant?

Yes.

Players will still be able to make and gear twinks by obtaining the highest ilevel they can to gain an advantage against players with a lower ilevel.

Will people be satisfied with a negligible or non-existent stat advantage?

Yes.

There are many twinks who play in a bracket because they enjoy the bracket itself. Gear advantage or not, they will have fun and find success due to their skill level, experience, and love for the bracket.

Will people gravitate to different, maybe higher brackets?

Yes.

Most brackets above the 20-29 bracket have been inactive for years. Players who have always wanted to try twinking in higher level brackets will be able to do so due to every bracket having 24/7 BG pops.

So what do people think? Can twinking evolve again to adapt to this change?

Yes.

Twinking will be more active than ever due to every bracket having 24/7 BG pops.

 

[Persuasive]

Good responses. I'm curious if the "skill-pruning" will change the bar for most people's bracket of choice. A lot of the screenshots at 110 I've seen look similar to old level 29 UIs.

If nothing else, I hope people continue to invest time and energy at lower levels just to frustrate Blizzard's constant attempts to discourage it.

 

[Shockadingle]

This may not be relevant if the que times are instant in all brackets, but the 20-29 bracket will likely remain the largest with the fastest que times, because all the f2p players can ONLY play in that bracket, in addition to the pay players who choose it.

As for players looking for an 'advantage' it's the bracket where you'll have the largest built-in advantage, because, as I understand it, all those 20s still won't have the 29 skills and glypths

 

[Valotian]

This may not be relevant if the que times are instant in all brackets, but the 20-29 bracket will likely remain the largest with the fastest que times, because all the f2p players can ONLY play in that bracket, in addition to the pay players who choose it.

As for players looking for an 'advantage' it's the bracket where you'll have the largest built-in advantage, because, as I understand it, all those 20s still won't have the 29 skills and glypths

There are no glyphs to worry about. However, 20s are not scaling to 29 currently on the PTR, which gives 29s a huge advantage beyond just having more abilities.

 

[Holythane]

This may not be relevant if the que times are instant in all brackets, but the 20-29 bracket will likely remain the largest with the fastest que times, because all the f2p players can ONLY play in that bracket, in addition to the pay players who choose it.

As for players looking for an 'advantage' it's the bracket where you'll have the largest built-in advantage, because, as I understand it, all those 20s still won't have the 29 skills and glypths

10-19 will most likely have the fastest que times like xp on does now, its full of levelers / noobs who que a bg once they hit 10, there are way more of these then all f2ps and 29s combined.

 

[Loone]

10-19 will most likely have the fastest que times like xp on does now, its full of levelers / noobs who que a bg once they hit 10

Just like the old days

 

[Adam]

Advantage won't come out of gear in 29/19 bracket, but level difference should. 20 f2p will be at a disadvantage playing against 29 twinks. Level 10-18 noobs will be at a disadvantage playing against 19 twinks. Twinking should be much more active with the merging of xp-on/off in battlegrounds.

 

[Persuasive]

I've been trying out the PTR, but I haven't been able to formulate a substantial opinion about 29s because there are no queues.

In terms of non-BG stuff, though, I'm interested to see what it looks like if someone stacks vers now, since spirit is just gone now and versatility replaced it. Here's a peak at what 29 disc is looking like now:

http://i.imgur.com/2neE9uX.jpg?1

- Psychic Scream is back, has a 1 min CD
- We have a shadow heal and an instant heal, so RIP interrupt
- Shield has a CD again, but no debuff
- No Fort

 

[Miles]

Yeah, rip disc atm. Liking warlocks and mages being viable in Legion.