29 Frost Mage

Somewhere in healsatins ramblings he tried to get across the point that stacking one and only one stat for a caster is the way to go. And that is why 19's excell at what they do compared to 29s.
Awful funny that my poor little level 20 balanced shaman often is at the top of the healing and dispel charts. And my balanced healers are often tops of dispels and healing charts of the 19's as well. Why you ask? Because you can't heal/damage when you are dead. Which is what primary stat stackers spend much of their time being(dead).
Have a nice day.

/cheers
 
Somewhere in healsatins ramblings he tried to get across the point that stacking one and only one stat for a caster is the way to go.

Bullshit, why are you putting words in his mouth?

I also never said to only go int, like at all. I just meant that secondary stats are generally not as desirable as primary stats in this xpac, not to avoid them completely and obviously you need stam to a point where you're comfortable
 
I think you have misunderstood PvP. It's about beating your opponents, not circle jerking in mid with your 1.3 sec frost bolts that hit for 200

Ha! You don't even know the numbers! You haven't provided a single legitimate refutation of my claims that Polymorph is at least 1/5 of casts in this bracket; nor that Fmage damage only comes from FoF which are not generated faster from Int; nor the miscellaneous benefits such as faking and catching GCD locked Druids.

You are a PvE nerd who tunnels damage into boss. We will thrash you.
 
I really like Mark of the Thunderlord's synergy with Shatter & on demand pet nova FoF. It increases crit, and Shatter multiplies that by .5; then on top of that, the almost guaranteed crits off FoF lances increase the MotTL buff duration by 2 seconds with each crit during the buff duration.
 
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I really like Mark of the Thunderlord's synergy with Shatter & on demand pet nova FoF. It increases crit, and Shatter multiplies that by .5; then on top of that, the almost guaranteed crits off FoF lances increase the MotTL buff duration by 2 seconds with each crit during the buff duration.

thread is dead man let it go
 
Or you could use proper grammar and punctuation like a somewhat educated human being, instead of coming across like a full on retard who's never heard of a period.

As far as my math goes, yeah I forgot that crits were 150% instead of 200%. Doesn't change the fact that 34% haste is still a huge damage increase and worth having over a little bit of extra spell power. If you figure in my crit change into that, it's still about 40% extra damage from secondary stats. The rest of your post is pure drivel and I don't think you realize what we're talking about here.



You're right! PVP is about farming unorganized, unskilled players into the ground and not caring about how they feel! We should all just dogpile into one faction of the bracket and fuck over all the unsuspecting noobs who are solo queuing! Because that's what PVP is about according to shitbox 19s!

Realistically, if I wanted to play the game the way you 19s do, I would just go play CoD or some other insta gib FPS game. We 29s expect more from the game than that. We want balanced fights, where the nuances of each class matters. Not just pushing your biggest damage buttons and claiming victory. If casting faster Frostbolts doesn't matter in pvp, there's a problem with game design and it should be addressed. If controlling fights as a mage doesn't matter, there's a problem with game design and it should be addressed.

However, I don't think there is in fact, a problem with these things. We've played 29s wargames with balanced teams, these things seem to be working correctly. Instead, I'm pretty sure you're the problem. You are lost as fuck and are speaking from the perspective of someone who is used to things being super shitty due to poor game design and lack of real challenges within your bracket.

Yes, I've played 19s off and on over the last 8 years. I've seen the bracket go from something resembling a reasonable mix of skilled players who care about the bracket, to the shit show they've been since Cata. 19s are like an abusive relationship where both parties refuse to leave because 'they love each other,' even though the state of pvp in that bracket is abysmal and the people who participate in it are extremely toxic.

I don't expect you to understand what I'm saying to you or to realize how things at 29 differ, but I am challenging you to step outside of your little tiny box and see how the rest of the world operates, and maybe understand how it's better than what you've experienced in the past. Oh, and for future reference, when I talk about 29s, I'm not including the shit show that is the 20-29 bracket, with their random BGs and garbage presence.

I'm typically referring to past and present 29s wargames activity. Something that is wholly better and more representative of what twinking should be like.
I don't even know what we are arguin about... killing people fast > killing people slow.
Ha! You don't even know the numbers!
lol
Fmage damage only comes from FoF which are not generated faster from Int
Haste shouldn't affect the procs of your FoF too much either, cause as you said yourself:
It doesn't stand there and cast Frosbolt against a target dummy.
Most of your FoF procs are generated from Pet Nova. Which, in my eyes, makes int very good.

You are a PvE nerd who tunnels damage into boss. We will thrash you.
Sup with the aggressive attitude?
 
Haste shouldn't affect the procs of your FoF too much either.
Most of your FoF procs are generated from Pet Nova. Which, in my eyes, makes int very good.

There you go, showing us that you don't understand the class nor mathematics in general.

If you have a chance to generate something on a cast, and haste increases your casts, why don't you understand that you get more of those somethings from haste?

So you just blow pet nova as soon as it's off CD and two targets are together? PvE nerd alert! Sure, that will get you the highest sustained DPS. However, tunneling damage into a dummy isn't what we're after. As PvPers, it's get kills or go home. You get kills by lining up burst on a potential kill target. That means fishing for at least 1 proc, preferably two, landing a Poly/Interrupt, dumping FoF lances into the kill target, and procuring two more with pet nova.

I should really write a book: 29 Frost Mage for Dummies.
 
There you go, showing us that you don't understand the class nor mathematics in general.

If you have a chance to generate something on a cast, and haste increases your casts, why don't you understand that you get more of those somethings from haste?

So you just blow pet nova as soon as it's off CD and two targets are together? PvE nerd alert! Sure, that will get you the highest sustained DPS. However, tunneling damage into a dummy isn't what we're after. As PvPers, it's get kills or go home. You get kills by lining up burst on a potential kill target. That means fishing for at least 1 proc, preferably two, landing a Poly/Interrupt, dumping FoF lances into the kill target, and procuring two more with pet nova.

I should really write a book: 29 Frost Mage for Dummies.
1. You say that you're very rarely sitting throwing Frostbolts.

2. You say frost mages are all about dem procs.

3. I say then you must get your procs from pet nova, thus making int > haste
 
1. You say that you're very rarely sitting throwing Frostbolts.
2. You say frost mages are all about dem procs.
3. I say then you must get your procs from pet nova, thus making int > haste
Not sure if you're trolling or truly clueless.

1) I said that Poly is at least 1/5 of casts, haste makes Poly stronger (with some secondary benefits that I'm sure you don't understand). Int does not help Poly.
2/3) Mage burst is reliant on regular procs. A proc is a "chance on hit"; it has nothing to do with obtaining an on-demand FoF with pet nova. Faster casts = more casts = more procs.
Furthermore, point for point, multistrike helps in an equal percentage to haste to generate procs. However, multistrike does not help Polymorph.
 
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Snack said:
I don't even know what we are arguin about... killing people fast > killing people slow.

Being alive to kill people > being dead and unable to kill people.

Being able to kill more people because you're alive more often > not being able to kill more people because you're dead more often.

I have no idea what you're arguing in favor of, except this mindless button mashing game style that isn't really possible on a level playing field. I understand that the majority of your pvp experience might come from random BGs where you class stack, group queue, and farm solo queuing baddies, but that's not the majority of my pvp experience. In fact, if I can help it, none of my pvp experience is like that.
 
Not sure if you're trolling or truly clueless.

1) I said that Poly is at least 1/5 of casts, haste makes Poly stronger (with some secondary benefits that I'm sure you don't understand). Int does not help Poly.
2/3) Mage burst is reliant on regular procs. A proc is a "chance on hit"; it has nothing to do with obtaining an on-demand FoF with pet nova. Faster casts = more casts = more procs.
Furthermore, point for point, multistrike helps in an equal percentage to haste to generate procs. However, multistrike does not help Polymorph.
Idd haste > int if you're a poly machine, but if you wanna put out some damage as well, which they very well can with ice lance, you can't take away the importance of intellect.
Being alive to kill people > being dead and unable to kill people.

Being able to kill more people because you're alive more often > not being able to kill more people because you're dead more often.

I have no idea what you're arguing in favor of, except this mindless button mashing game style that isn't really possible on a level playing field. I understand that the majority of your pvp experience might come from random BGs where you class stack, group queue, and farm solo queuing baddies, but that's not the majority of my pvp experience. In fact, if I can help it, none of my pvp experience is like that.
M8 idk what we are arguing about or why you are so mad. I said at start that you need some stam as mage to be able to survive. Then I told you that generally primary stats scale better than secondary stats, which many other people have agreed on in this thread. Please calm the fuck down, stop your passive aggresivenesd towards 19's and stop expressing your oppinion as an aboslute truth.
 
god sake who cares, this arguing is pointless just let it go,

mages die no matter how much hp they have, mages do no dmg compared to other classes no matter how much int they have, mages cant cc ferals no matter how much haste they have. easy as that.
now pls some mod close the thread
 
god sake who cares, this arguing is pointless just let it go,

mages die no matter how much hp they have, mages do no dmg compared to other classes no matter how much int they have, mages cant cc ferals no matter how much haste they have. easy as that.
now pls some mod close the thread
Use Flash Bombs :3

Also suck it up, you made this thread cause you bored, we keep on arguing for the same reason.

And mods wont just magically appear by saying the word 'mod' in a thread. Use the handy report button in the bottom left corner
 
Use Flash Bombs :3

Also suck it up, you made this thread cause you bored, we keep on arguing for the same reason.

And mods wont just magically appear by saying the word 'mod' in a thread. Use the handy report button in the bottom left corner

the only consumables i use is first aid, everything else i stay away from, so using flash bombs wont happen in my case
 
[MENTION=12184]Snack[/MENTION] in pvp, haste provides more dps because you don't tunnel damage into a stationary target. Burst (The only relevant kind in pvp) comes from FoF procs. As well, you do more damage if you cc faster to spend less time kiting. You're just wrong. I hope I am never on your Mage's team.
[MENTION=24865]Razqt[/MENTION] you can sometimes catch bad druids between shifts if you pet nova while mid poly. Flash Bombs are really the best way to deal with that cheap class though.
 
[MENTION=12184]Snack[/MENTION] in pvp, haste provides more dps because you don't tunnel damage into a stationary target. Burst (The only relevant kind in pvp) comes from FoF procs. As well, you do more damage if you cc faster to spend less time kiting. You're just wrong. I hope I am never on your Mage's team.
[MENTION=24865]Razqt[/MENTION] you can sometimes catch bad druids between shifts if you pet nova while mid poly. Flash Bombs are really the best way to deal with that cheap class though.

"bad" druids wont be on my fc for very long :) and no matter how hard things are, i refuse to use anything but first aid
 
Snack in pvp, haste provides more dps because you don't tunnel damage into a stationary target. Burst (The only relevant kind in pvp) comes from FoF procs. As well, you do more damage if you cc faster to spend less time kiting. You're just wrong. I hope I am never on your Mage's team.
Razqt you can sometimes catch bad druids between shifts if you pet nova while mid poly. Flash Bombs are really the best way to deal with that cheap class though.
What am I wrong about, that int gives more dmg output than haste? I get you are able to cast faster poly's with more haste, thats cool m8. But if you wanna do damage as well, int is the way to go
 

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