Allybeboba
Legend
I would not sweat it. There is very very little grandfathered gear since 5.4 that will be deal breakers. Maybe DMH. and the helm enchants.
Sweetsydney
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soskanky
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Allybeboba
Legend
Those two are marginal at best. And only Deadman's Hand proc is any good. Scaling and glyphs will probably be the real story. We really will not know until the beta or prepatch drops. But this is not thread to discuss that.
soskanky
OG
SB is not marginal. It was close to being BiS in the 39 bracket.
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Legend
Your only option is to convince a GM to break the policy. They can, they just aren't supposed to.
Allybeboba
Legend
Do know what it's final stats will be in WoD? Do you know how it will compare to other items when they scale in the bracket come WoD? As I said in my previous post, we will not know for sure until the beta or the prepatch exactly how things will be.
Have a wonderful day.
Sweetsydney
soskanky
OG
How can you call it marginal than? How can you say GF gear will not be a big deal? Contradicting yourself a little don't you think?
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Allybeboba
Legend
Because they are marginal compared to 5.4 enchants. The only thing that is not is deadmans Hands proc., and that is why shamans and Druids wear a chest piece with a similar proc in the 39 bracket.
My days are always wonderful. Thank you for the kind sentiment.
My days are always wonderful. Thank you for the kind sentiment.
soskanky
OG
See, now you say enchants. It wasn't Mongoose that made it so OP previously (although it helped) ,it was the top end damage and dps that makes it leaps and bounds above anything.
Also the proc between DMH and Green Whelp Armor is a shitty comparison.
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willix
Legend
Will you guys stop? Mongoose procs give any rogue/monk/shaman a huge boost in throughout. Weapon damage isn't nearly as important because abilities have base damage/healing at the moment. Using Ambush as an example, when you factor in resilience, the difference between Skullbreaker and BoA mace/sword ends up being 33 damage on each attack, which is not significant when you're getting hit for 1500+ in one shot. Mongoose/dancing steel have a far bigger impact than having Skullbreaker, especially now that any weapon can be enchanted with them.
The same goes for Nailspitter.
The same goes for Nailspitter.
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Achmed
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Because he has no GF'ed gear so he must say the grapes are not tasty cuz he can't touch them
PS: Wait for WoD to come and we will see exactly how things are.
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willix
Legend
When did I ever try to scare people out of playing 29s in WoD? Most of my recent posts have touched on the fact that we can't really know how everything is going to end up at this point in time, anything else I could say at this point would be speculation. Right now you're arguing with someone about how much of an impact Skullbreaker and Nailspitter will have in 6.0 and you're basing your information on 4.0 changes.
Right now, the difference between a BoA weapon and Skullbreaker is 17 top end damage. That difference only accounts for 16.83% of Skullbreakers total damage per swing. Abilities don't just go by the topend damage of a weapon. Instead, they are based on the total damage displayed on your character sheet (weapon damage + attack power). The average 29 rogue has about 600 attack power, which effectively doubles the damage on their weapon. That 17% difference between SB and a BoA becomes much smaller, only accounting for about a 10% of the actual weapon damage attacks are based on. When you add in procs from Mongoose/Dancing Steel (double Mongoose = 480 AP, double Dancing Steel = 248 AP), the difference between them becomes even smaller.
You can't honestly sit here and tell people they will be outmatched simply because they don't have SB/NS.
soskanky
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willix
Legend
Dog Whistle was nerfed heavily at some point in Cata AND MoP. The hound used to be level 34 (impossible to hit), with as much HP as a player, and hit for 300-500. Now it has about 1.2k HP, scales down to level 29, and only hits for about 70 dmg. It's a great trinket because you can summon the dog then swap trinkets without it disappearing, and the dog is annoying to stealthies, but it's not really an unstoppable force anymore.
Deadman's Hand shares DR with fears, stuns, and silences. Sure, it procs from any attack done to you, but if you've just fear/stunned/silenced someone, the duration of the freeze when it procs will be halved. There's a point where DMH procs and has no effect because of DR. It's shiny purple and has a cool proc, but it's much less useful than you might think.
