24s <3

[inoobupro]

very few ''jajas'' actually have the same potential

the only reason they perform so well...class carries them THAT hard.

Plz stop. Trash bracket not worth arguing over.

f2p kids running around with 100k's of HKS of playing hunter only and then calling 24s scum or f2ps queing with 3-4 24s and a game later speaking out against 24s.

Endless cycle of stupidity. cyas

 

[Allybeboba]

How is this still going lmao

Why would it not be?
Pretty much staying on topic. Staying relatively civil, for this forum at least. By other forum's standards, no. Twinkinfo standards of decorum, yes. Given the demographics of the populace, all in all, it has been fairly genteel compared to some of the other threads on this subject.
/cheers

Sweetsidney...

 

[Allybeboba]

FINALLY someone has said this. It's true, You can't all claim to be these amazing support workers for the bracket. Giving tips and directing all the noobs to T.I.

Most of the bracket is casuals that know nothing of wowhead, farming BIS gear, chest locations, and slightly hidden items such as AGMs or fishing hats. And you guys like it that way. To wield powers that others don't. I've played by F2P rules before and I've seen many F2P twinks engaging in the same actions towards there defenseless jaja opponents. Games with not a single P2P in sight.

One of my F2P rule restricted characters was an enhance shaman. I followed every rule except for I had Enchant Weapon - Lesser Striking - Item - World of Warcraft on my weps. ( an honest mistake ) Throughout the roughly 6 months of his existence, I've had TONS of F2Ps, half of which were likely T.I. members, chew me straight the f**k out for having these enchants. A mere 1 extra damage per weps and no one could stand it. So I kept the enchants on just to see if this continued on. Apparently I was a crutching bad ruining the integrity of the bracket just as much as a BIS 24 twink. Yet none of these clowns had problems having hundreds of health, and tons of stats more than the average JaJas...

Sad that nothing has changed in three years. You just have to let roll off you back and move on.
I had the same issue when I originally rolled on AP as restricted when it AP first started. Moaning and groaning because I had double AGMs. The final straw was my alchemy was 102. Alchemy of all things.... Got bitched out and not allowed to play in their "reindeer games". They drove me to the dark side. I faction changed and leveled up.
Through out the entire time I was on AP, only two people were always "nice". I am sure that many old AP Alliance people know who those people are, a paladin and a warrior. My old signature even indicates my trial restricted toon.
http://www.twinkinfo.com/forums/members/sweetsydney.html

/cheers

Sweetsidney

 

[Dinkorastamán]

"Don't worry, be happy!", and if that's impossible, take a break

 

[LennywBT]

"Don't worry, be happy!", and if that's impossible

And if thats impossible... Try harder. lel

 

[Chykcha]

wow much drama so intense
The main thing about any video game for me is challenge and fun.

inb4 so y u play huntar

I've tried almost BIS 22 hunter, while it's somewhat interesting to play vs other 24 it's plainly boring to play vs F2P. Enchants just make the gap too big.
I have nothing against underpowered 24 specs, like fury/enh/affli, not so even against prot war/pal. The problem is that mostly p2p's are hunters, arms, SP, elems, healers - classes/specs which are nice to play without enchants/guild BOAs and with them in hands of a skilled player are killing machines (hopefully only a few p2p's know how to play).
I prefer situation where you should use skill to kill another player, rather than gear

yes, hunter can be soloed by some healers who have mastered the way of fakecast

 

[Bestasky]

Abuse? My abuse is bigger than your abuse!

So if this bracket was made for "newbie" then why twink at level 24 in the Newbie bracket? I'm neutral and peeps can do what they want.. I'm just asking.

I've heard P2Ps say that F2Ps are cheap. Well a lot of F2Ps have sub accounts. On the other hand some like to spend money twinking in the "newbie" bracket. Spending RL money to switch factions to get BIS. Spending money to play and twink in the newbie bracket.... for some its entertaining.

True dat,

you know what they say ''excuses are like assholes...everyone's got atleast one''

 

[Bestasky]

Keep the debates going but please don't start calling others dumb or their opinions bull****.

Don't use disrespectful insults as a means to convey emphasis. That type of poo is distasteful and ruins threads.

but but Broken........where's the fun in that ! Don't be a poo !

 

[Kiri]

wow much drama so intense
The main thing about any video game for me is challenge and fun.

inb4 so y u play huntar

I've tried almost BIS 22 hunter, while it's somewhat interesting to play vs other 24 it's plainly boring to play vs F2P. Enchants just make the gap too big.
I have nothing against underpowered 24 specs, like fury/enh/affli, not so even against prot war/pal. The problem is that mostly p2p's are hunters, arms, SP, elems, healers - classes/specs which are nice to play without enchants/guild BOAs and with them in hands of a skilled player are killing machines (hopefully only a few p2p's know how to play).
I prefer situation where you should use skill to kill another player, rather than gear

yes, hunter can be soloed by some healers who have mastered the way of fakecast

So its ok for f2p to roll op fotm? then how and Why do you expect p2ps to roll up classes? I mean you play hunter, ofc you like p2p aff lock etc, balance is so broken that even you admit that only a good healer stand a chance vs hunters... you no see a problem here?
BUT main question is; how and Why do you expect ppl to act in any other way than you?

 

[Chykcha]

So its ok for f2p to roll op fotm? then how and Why do you expect p2ps to roll up classes? I mean you play hunter, ofc you like p2p aff lock etc, balance is so broken that even you admit that only a good healer stand a chance vs hunters... you no see a problem here?
BUT main question is; how and Why do you expect ppl to act in any other way than you?

ATM I dont see FOTM, classes get minor changes over patches +% RAP from AofH, +% to nighstalker, etc. As far as I know hunters are "FOTLowlvlPVP" for all WOW history. The thing is now every spec can be countered by someone, like hunter counters.. er.. all specs and so on, there are no unkillable targets, just some specs can be killed by only a few (fury can be killed without problems and hpala is a very tought target). If you're playing p2p (not talking bout skill issues) it's often not possible to counter because of raw stat gain from enchants. For example I can solo warriors up to ~50lvl if have enough space to kite, but soloing any healer is not possible, with luck and 2 silences + SS and without stamina stacking maaaaaaaaaaayyyybbbbbbbeeee , ranger DPS is out of question: either you solo them with DOTs and kiting from 40y+ for a long time or get outDPSed in a fight and die.

I see problem with hunters, but as I've said you can beat them. The thing is some classes just ned mobility/CC/saves and so on to balance lowlvl PVP. FOTM on P2P just makes gap fucking huge while FOTM on F2P makes it just big, somehow like this.

As for ppl question. I've rolled hunter only because I've learned that in MOP (or Cata?) they've finally lost mana, because I hate mana users and prefer pure DPS. If we get nerfed very much in WOD I doubt that I will change class. I dont think that there're so many SP and hunters just because they love class, rather than facerolling.

 

[Kiri]

ATM I dont see FOTM, classes get minor changes over patches +% RAP from AofH, +% to nighstalker, etc. As far as I know hunters are "FOTLowlvlPVP" for all WOW history. The thing is now every spec can be countered by someone, like hunter counters.. er.. all specs and so on, there are no unkillable targets, just some specs can be killed by only a few (fury can be killed without problems and hpala is a very tought target). If you're playing p2p (not talking bout skill issues) it's often not possible to counter because of raw stat gain from enchants. For example I can solo warriors up to ~50lvl if have enough space to kite, but soloing any healer is not possible, with luck and 2 silences + SS and without stamina stacking maaaaaaaaaaayyyybbbbbbbeeee , ranger DPS is out of question: either you solo them with DOTs and kiting from 40y+ for a long time or get outDPSed in a fight and die.

I see problem with hunters, but as I've said you can beat them. The thing is some classes just ned mobility/CC/saves and so on to balance lowlvl PVP. FOTM on P2P just makes gap fucking huge while FOTM on F2P makes it just big, somehow like this.

As for ppl question. I've rolled hunter only because I've learned that in MOP (or Cata?) they've finally lost mana, because I hate mana users and prefer pure DPS. If we get nerfed very much in WOD I doubt that I will change class. I dont think that there're so many SP and hunters just because they love class, rather than facerolling.

Ok I'll try and simplify for you
You play f2phunter and complain about 24s
I play f2p lock and complain about hunters in general.
Ever heard they saying, if you want things to change, you have to be the change?
I mean maybe p2ps would roll a lot more up classes at 24, if there wasn't 12+ f2p hunters / rogues every game..

 

[Chykcha]

Ok I'll try and simplify for you
You play f2phunter and complain about 24s
I play f2p lock and complain about hunters in general.
Ever heard they saying, if you want things to change, you have to be the change?
I mean maybe p2ps would roll a lot more up classes at 24, if there wasn't 12+ f2p hunters / rogues every game..

Well, dont really complain, as far as there is the same amount of p2ps on each side it's ok.
You play lock and you like it? The same goes for my class, why should I change it? You can roll hpala, restodru and try to counter me or wait for WOD and CC/damage nerfs.
You dont have to roll p2p to counter 12 rogues and hunters, even more dont have to roll strong p2p classes.

 

[Achmed]

OMG you play FOTM/OP class as F2P so I feel the urge to make a gay 24 to keep up. Lamest excuse ever. But, usual excuse for failures.

Anyways, I know shitloads of F2P's that have P2P accounts and don't play the so called FOTM/OP classes as F2P they also don't feel the need to make gay 24's to counter the FOTM/OP classes of F2P.

Hint: some of them are lurking these forums.

 

[Kiri]

Well, dont really complain, as far as there is the same amount of p2ps on each side it's ok.
You play lock and you like it? The same goes for my class, why should I change it? You can roll hpala, restodru and try to counter me or wait for WOD and CC/damage nerfs.
You dont have to roll p2p to counter 12 rogues and hunters, even more dont have to roll strong p2p classes.

I think I have almost one of each class as f2p xcept hunter, I play lock cause I love locks, and its properly the only class I'm somewhat skilled / effective at.
But vs a hunter I could be R1 multi glad, as long as he has 2 functioning braincells he is gonna kill me, hell he can just let his pet solo me to 10% and go in for the finisher.

So you say I can join the fotm band wagon, or enjoy gettin facerolled, how is that argument any different than the; pay to be competitive?

 

[Kiri]

OMG you play FOTM/OP class as F2P so I feel the urge to make a gay 24 to keep up. Lamest excuse ever. But, usual excuse for failures.

Anyways, I know shitloads of F2P's that have P2P accounts and don't play the so called FOTM/OP classes as F2P they also don't feel the need to make gay 24's to counter the FOTM/OP classes of F2P.

Hint: some of them are lurking these forums.

I'll make a 24 just for u <3
But I know what you mean, funny thing tho, most ppl I see not playing fotm exclusively, are old 19 players, whom you so very much adore..
How's your hunter doin?

 

[LennywBT]

24s <3

 

[l30t53dd6p]

Becaue it's true. But you mongoloids are too braindead to accept it. Before F2P's arrived, there were no 24's playing in 20-24. There was no DAMN activity. When F2P's came, 24's failures saw the opportunity to actually feel important in this game by crushing F2P's.

Braindead? So when I arrived as F2P I was the good guy and then scumm rolled 24s, like you, and all that blablaroflhahablabla. Ok I agree on this ;-)

Now don't lecture me about......<snip>

No. You stop lecturing me about all of this and start looking at my history in all of this and with twinking!

So stop looking so stupid and wasting time, forum space, your RL, trying to prove nothing. (directed to all 24's crying all day long they get assraped on TI forums)

I totally agree that you should. Also if you want to debate game mechanics and how it works go QQ on the official forums, not on a Twinking one.

 

[SPQR]

#278 .
Master is pleased.

 

[Trapd]

This post is directed towards class balance, not the 24vf2p debate. Every competitive game that ever existed has had a metagame develop that discourages use of certain strategies or tactics. People are going to play (pay?) to win no matter what, so instead of bitching, play to their limits. Competition encourages using every advantage possible to win. Take competitive Pokemon for example. Pikachu fucking sucks. If your team has Pikachu on it, you will lose games because of it. If you love Pikachu, keep using it, but don't expect me to fight your Pikachu with a Pikachu. There are ladders for competitive Pokemon, and those sitting at the top have teams consisting of the most powerful Pokemon available, which are generally chosen from a pool of around 12-18 viable options. Same with Arena compositions in WoW. Use what works. If you're tired of Hunters, roll a class that does well against Hunters most of the time. This is called Anti-Metagaming. If you like playing gimp specs, do it. You know that pugs will often be miserable, so bring that spec to premades. Bitching about it just gives everyone headache. Class balance is a Blizzard issue, not a people issue so shutup.

I play mage, priest, and hunter in this bracket btw before nerds start attacking me calling me a crutching scrub or some shit

I'd also like to tier the classes/specs in this bracket. example: hunter / rogue / druid = top tier, affliction lock = bottom tier I think this could give newcomers to the bracket an idea of what to expect and what to roll.

 

[Spiriel]

You can roll hpala, restodru and try to counter me

Just because you cant kill these 2 doesnt make them a counter.
The only class that counters hunters is hunters.
edit: and if you think otherwise you cant flee "properly"...