10-19 XP ON the new bracket for F2P?

[Kincaide]

Oh, sorry, to answer your other question; to my understanding, wargames are working for F2Ps, though I haven't tried them myself. And while personally I would much prefer to wargame than to play in either bracket, those are not either-or choices. A person could play in 10-19s, 20-29s, and do wargames; they don't have to chooose just one.

 

[Achmed]

Oh God, this one again )))

 

[The Saint]

A few posts ago you were calling me an "alligator" which is it bud? And why am i stupid? Because i highlight and shine a light on the kind of person you are? Without even bothering to dig through your post history no less. I'm far to lazy for that. It's not needed anyhow, you prove my point with each and every one of your bitter posts.

Youre an idiot because you started off playing the victim, then addmited to having a personal vendetta against me, now your the guy who challenges me... Tell me, do you have any other personalitys I should know about?

Anyway, thanks. You're far to lazy to back up anything you say you'd rather talk shit, hurl abuse and blame it on me trolling you. From now on I'll just answer you with quotes I've already made. You only reapeat the same bullshit anyways.

 

[The Saint]

Guys, guys, guys.

I think the claim, that playing in the 10-19 XP-on bracket is tantamount to noob-farming, is statistically inaccurate. As I said it's been my experience that the overwhelming majority are fully loomed and chanted experienced PvPers.

Now, the claim that they are the overwhelming majority would be easy enough to objectively confirm, by simply taking a level 10 character into a number of WSGs that we would all consider statistically significant enough for this argument, and screenshotting the roster, and linking their armories here. Anyone who wanted to convert this discussion from opinions into facts would be able to easily do this. I might even do it myself over the weekend when I have some free time, if this discussion is still going on. That's point one.

Point two, in response to what I understood Saint to be replying to me, Saint I believe you were trying to say that even if those players are fully chanted and loomed, they are newbie at PvP. I'd like to address that argument just on logic rather than evidence since we can't interview all people. But clearly the players have enough time in WoW to have earned the looms, and enough experience in PvP to know what enchants to get, and let's not overlook the elephant in the room which is these people are choosing to play battlegrounds rather than PvE to level... that implies at the very least a familiarity with PvP, if not outright indicating that they prefer to PvP rather than PvE. Logically speaking, these are not PvP noobs we're talking about.

Nor for that matter are all F2Ps total experts either. In fact I would say the percentage of loomed P2P levelers who know what they're doing in BGs is much higher than the percentage of leveling F2Ps in the same battlegrounds.

Overall, then, statistically and logically, I really don't see how the claim is sustainable that playing in 10-19 XP-on would be a faceroll for F2Ps nor that F2Ps who do this would be even remotely considered to be "farming" anyone. I mean, I do see the argument, in that it is easy to think of XP-on as a total noobfest, but actual experience bears out a totally different picture, and I think that picture really needs to be considered more carefully before quick accusations of hypocrisy are thrown around.

Satisfactory is someone linking some armorys of people he may or may not have encountered in a few games? No. for people trying to excuse themselve maybe.

 

[Kincaide]

Satisfactory is someone linking some armorys of people he may or may not have encountered in a few games? No. for people trying to excuse themselve maybe.

Let me phrase it a different way, then. How many sequential, non-cherry-picked WSG 10-19 armory analyses would you personally consider statistically significant to demonstrate, one way or another, the percentage of said games that are actual noob levellers?

Would 10 games in a row be enough? 20? 100? How about 10 games from 10 different people?

This isn't a sarcastic or facetious question, it's an honest one. At some point in time, enough data points would move the argument from opinion to statistically supported conclusion. I'm asking how many data points would satisfy you personally. Considering also that said data points might just as easily work to prove your assertion (that they're mostly levelling noobs) as the contrary assertion.

Edit: and by armory anaysis, I mean taking a screenshot of the roster of every game, posting that screenshot, looking up the armory of every player in that screenshot, and posting the armory links, so that everyone can see exactly how many people in that BG were true noobs and how many were fully loomed and PvP-chanted experienced players.

 

[The Saint]

Let me phrase it a different way, then. How many sequential, non-cherry-picked WSG 10-19 armory analyses would you personally consider statistically significant to demonstrate, one way or another, the percentage of said games that are actual noob levellers?

Would 10 games in a row be enough? 20? 100? How about 10 games from 10 different people?

This isn't a sarcastic or facetious question, it's an honest one. At some point in time, enough data points would move the argument from opinion to statistically supported conclusion. I'm asking how many data points would satisfy you personally. Considering also that said data points might just as easily work to prove your assertion (that they're mostly levelling noobs) as the contrary assertion.

Threre isn't a number. Two or three people over the course of a week is needed to get a fair idea of the bracket. And no, im not suggesting anyone should do that just to please me.


I honestly don't see how the bracket changed since the last time I played it though, which was a week ago.


Typeing on this phone is doing my head in. Good night I'll catch you tomorrow.

 

[Kincaide]

And no, im not suggesting anyone should do that just to please me.

I'm kind of interested just for the sake of the data. No doubt it would put a fair amount of conjecture out of the equation. It's just as possible that you're right and it is a bunch of noobs... It's possible that in my own leveling experience, I preferentially only noticed the fully loomed and chanted ones because those were the ones killing me a lot.

In the bigger scheme of things, I'm not interested in the original idea at all, and of course none of this even matters until/unless the BoA tab is implemented. But if it is implemented, I'm interested in finding other fun things we can do with low level characters besides xp-on BGs.

 

[Wraegoth]

No reasons to fight dudes, everyone that tried 10-14 knows that the majority is players with loom enchanted gear, i have no reason to lie, i used to do the same on my own p2p toons also i was study and learn my class, anyone who looks for "lazy players" they will find them leveling on dungeon, although Blizzard nerfed leveling difficulty and everyone can get 50 alts that are lvl 90.

 

[yasueh]

Well they must have nerfed the XP from BGs, because after 13 games and 6 wins, I'm still only 3/4 of the way through level 10, while getting the XP bonus from a full set of guild heirlooms.

Can't argue with 1 minute queues though.

 

[Neon]

What point is there going to bg in the 10-19 bracket if your toon won't be bis, therefore not even a twink.

If your going there for fair competition remember, there are more p2ps in this bracket than ours.

You are going to run into more flag carriers using speed potions, and more people with enchants.

Hell, I ran into a 5k hp flag carrier the other day while levelling a warlock.

If anything all of our hierlooms will put us as close to on par as we can get.

I don't see the point in rerolling toons to play in this bracket, as it's not even twinking.

 

[The Saint]

No reasons to fight dudes, everyone that tried 10-14 knows that the majority is players with loom enchanted gear, i have no reason to lie, i used to do the same on my own p2p toons also i was study and learn my class, anyone who looks for "lazy players" they will find them leveling on dungeon, although Blizzard nerfed leveling difficulty and everyone can get 50 alts that are lvl 90.

But I and others in this very thread do have a reason to lie? The only reason I'm in this thread is because of some people who claim they want a challenge, and that's why they play by f2p "rules". I can asure them they won't get that in this bracket.

I'm not bothered who actually does this. Coming in and saying my xp is this... And expecting me to say... Oh ok , is a bit silly tho.

Sorry if you can't understand. Phone keyboard -.-

 

[Wraegoth]

f2p is giving challenges... but from my exp i found this a little bit silly, i don't want to offend anyone but the real challenge is to achieve tough things with trial restrictions...