WOD damage calculations

So much theorycrafting... What are you trying to give the noobs a chance to reroll the nxt OP class in WoD early or something? Idk why else you would make a thread about this when you don't even have half the numbers/data you need to get a semi close estimate

What on earth are you on about again lol
 
So much theorycrafting... What are you trying to give the noobs a chance to reroll the nxt OP class in WoD early or something? Idk why else you would make a thread about this when you don't even have half the numbers/data you need to get a semi close estimate

What an intellectual enlightening post. I'd say this post requires the utmost urgency to be read by every community member of this unity. Veteran and newcomes alike. Your opinion surely contribured alot to our union.

Poop. Off to reroll again lol.

edit: what will Riot Stick scale up to at 29? lava dredger is 29 dps at 29. riot stick is 29 dps at 24.
so riot stick will probably be like 36 dps at 29. that's like 36 agility worth of deeps, isn't it?
i don't think eyepatch will scale to 36 agility...

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Riot Stick will still be an interesting weapon, but only really worth it if you got a P2P linked account with Shadowcraft Cap and Lava Dredger. But for F2P, its quite certain that eyepatch will be better then. For now, its not.
 
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So much theorycrafting... What are you trying to give the noobs a chance to reroll the nxt OP class in WoD early or something? Idk why else you would make a thread about this when you don't even have half the numbers/data you need to get a semi close estimate

I disagree, dunno why you're criying about OP class, you play the MOST OP class existant in WoW for years at low lvl. Theorycrafting is always welcomed and interesting instead of stupid trolling.
 
So much theorycrafting... What are you trying to give the noobs a chance to reroll the nxt OP class in WoD early or something?

You mean like dem cata hunters did?

Idk why else you would make a thread about this when you don't even have half the numbers/data you need to get a semi close estimate

Theorycraft. Keyword "theory".
 
Not more prot paladins :(
 
With the exception of warriors it really seems most problem classes got tuned down a lil bit although I'm curious about some of the casters . I'f anyone has some classes they are particularly interested in I would be glad to do those first once i find time tonight
 
I'd like to see some affli/fury/enha comparisons :) great job so far! Could use more coloring (highlight ability names and damage) so it'd be easier to find what you're looking for.
 
OffT: Tbh i'd like to see more variety in spells at 20... pressing 3 keys most of the time gets boring at some point. From what I've seen so far, no new spells at 20 or i'm wrong?

OnT: Damage is indeed slightly diminished but stil high numbers I see there. Hope HP pools will be bigger but even so.. can't see them above 2.5k so. this bracket will remain still bursty.
 
OffT: Tbh i'd like to see more variety in spells at 20... pressing 3 keys most of the time gets boring at some point. From what I've seen so far, no new spells at 20 or i'm wrong?

OnT: Damage is indeed slightly diminished but stil high numbers I see there. Hope HP pools will be bigger but even so.. can't see them above 2.5k so. this bracket will remain still bursty.

Agility classes might get less crit though (due to no crit from agility), but idk how it evens out after hit getting converted into crit. Also, crit damage will be 150% again, down from 200%. Hard to say anything 'bout healthpools but I heard they were getting a tad bigger aswell? All that on top of ability damage getting toned down a bit, it definitely sounds more enjoyable in wod than the burstfest it is atm :)
 
The "value of stamina" is effectively doubled . So I can see this being close to doubling health of toons of course u know 15 health to chest probably won't be effected but over all I'm expecting double the health. BUT if you look at geara lot of it looses a few stats particularly weapons . Even with this I would expect higher health pools . Only thing that worries me is arms warriors right now on clothiers they will probably hit 800 450 800 with zerker so a big focus will be pealing those guys ASAP and keeping them locked down (or knowing locations that can't be charged to )
 
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The "value of stamina" is effectively doubled . So I can see this being close to doubling health of toons of course u know 15 health to chest probably won't be effected but over all I'm expecting double the health. BUT if you look at geara lot of it looses a few stats particularly weapons . Even with this I would expect higher health pools . Only thing that worries me is arms warriors right now on clothiers they will probably hit 800 450 800 with zerker so a big focus will be pealing those guys ASAP and keeping them locked down (or knowing locations that can't be charged to )

You will also lose like 800 hp so its double your hp -850 hp so it will mainly increase the hp of stam stackers while damage stackers will have alot lower hp. Someone that today has 1.4k hp would have 1.2k in wod while someone with 2.5k now would have 3.4k in wod. and someone with 1.6k would have 1.6k.
 
You will also lose like 800 hp so its double your hp -850 hp so it will mainly increase the hp of stam stackers while damage stackers will have alot lower hp. Someone that today has 1.4k hp would have 1.2k in wod while someone with 2.5k now would have 3.4k in wod. and someone with 1.6k would have 1.6k.
See this is the tricky situation I'm running into . I have used the base stats for classes at lvl 20 in these calculations so if in fact ur base str at 20 is 0 then All of these damage abilities will be hitting a LOT LOT less like you could just chop off a third of the damage [MENTION=16240]Goesid[/MENTION] if u can link where it says base stats are gone then I can adjust these numbers . I remember base damage of spells but not bases stats . I could always be wrong though
 
See this is the tricky situation I'm running into . I have used the base stats for classes at lvl 20 in these calculations so if in fact ur base str at 20 is 0 then All of these damage abilities will be hitting a LOT LOT less like you could just chop off a third of the damage [MENTION=16240]Goesid[/MENTION] if u can link where it says base stats are gone then I can adjust these numbers . I remember base damage of spells but not bases stats . I could always be wrong though

googled it
Warlords of Draenor: All health will come from Stamina
 
ok so lvl 20 base stats are still going to be there they just will just be no "health increase with lvl" just your base stam that will increase health.

by using the f2p dev i can see that cow arms warriors have a base 1094 health but only a base 50 stamina. so at least in this case it will be a loss of 594 hp .

also i added mages so bump for that
 
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the formulas are taken off of the talent calculator on wowhead so basically what i have done is show what abilities will be hitting for . basically what i have found is that the biggest problem will be warriors but if you peal them their donesoh so they won't be as bad as hunters were.

Not surprised the usual random troll replies with their random gibberish so I'll just reply to yours (you aren't in aforementioned group hash). What you are trying to do is things blizz probably hasn't even done yet (and seeing how balanced low lvs have been will never do).. All I'm saying is be careful how much time you put into this seeing it will more than likely be something COMPLETELY different when it comes out. Plus you don't even know how the abilities will be come WoD or how scaling will affect any of these moves
 
Not surprised the usual random troll replies with their random gibberish so I'll just reply to yours (you aren't in aforementioned group hash). What you are trying to do is things blizz probably hasn't even done yet (and seeing how balanced low lvs have been will never do).. All I'm saying is be careful how much time you put into this seeing it will more than likely be something COMPLETELY different when it comes out. Plus you don't even know how the abilities will be come WoD or how scaling will affect any of these moves

There are definitely a lot of guesses that go into these calculations and ill list them bellow
- all gear remains the same stat wise except the melee weapons when calculating damage
- all races keep the same base stats at lvl 24 str agi int wise.
- blizz keeps true to its 1 dps per 3.5 ap and the data minded data on wow head for new weapon stats.

over all though i think the estimates are pretty accurate though. the only thing that is really subject to change is just the sp coefficients on these abilities.

on a different side it looks like hunters won't be OP ....... just think [MENTION=14218]Lil[/MENTION] ...... not having to take shit for playing a hunter any more.... :O
 
on a different side it looks like hunters won't be OP ....... just think [MENTION=14218]Lil[/MENTION] ...... not having to take shit for playing a hunter any more.... :O

Ha in this forum? I could die in 80 years and some of these sad trolls would show up to my funeral and mock me for playing a hunt.

On a serious note either way was js would suck to put alot of time into this then turn out they do something crazy last minute like they seem to normally do and have it all be wasted.
 
I smell so much rage into you my young padawan, suppose you've chosen your path by now.. the dark side of the force.

On a serious note, why shouldn't people theorycraft if they want to? If it upsets you so much, just ignore the topic.

I agree there are many unknown variables when comes to WoD but still...


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Ha in this forum? I could die in 80 years and some of these sad trolls would show up to my funeral and mock me for playing a hunt.

On a serious note either way was js would suck to put alot of time into this then turn out they do something crazy last minute like they seem to normally do and have it all be wasted.

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there we go had to edit it a few times to get it to show up [MENTION=14218]Lil[/MENTION] <3

on a diff note i really don't mind i did the math on my own just out of curiosity and figured id put it up to give everyone else a lil bit more of a glimpse into the patch.
 
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I smell so much rage into you my young padawan, suppose you've chosen your path by now.. the dark side of the force.

On a serious note, why shouldn't people theorycraft if they want to? If it upsets you so much, just ignore the topic.

I agree there are many unknown variables when comes to WoD but still...


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So you agree with me but you still choose to talk out of your ass? O-ok as long as I know you agree with me and you're just trolling.

Sry bend was just trying to tell ya not to put time into this seeing blizz is prone to changing their minds last minute but the children sucked me in. Gl with your estimates and if you are looking for more classes I feel Bdruid Fdruid and ele would be strong choices as it looks hybrids will be the nxt OP classes
 

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