Trying and succeeding are two very different things. F2Ps seem to forget that a lot.
WOD 20-29 Hell yes
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Trying and succeeding are two very different things. F2Ps seem to forget that a lot.
Seems like i have to explain to you like i would a child.
When someone has it much harder ( like f2p's do - cause a number of us choose to, and not because we're cheap.I personally have payed for the game for 5 years and came to a conclussion that it's not worth it any more, seeing every new patch since WOTLK was more and more idiot friendly and not to mention about the patheticness of paying just so i could play a 24 amongst f2p'2 )
Can't remember how many times i have seen over and over again fail 24's which i have killed cause they underestimated the fight in the dog cause of it's size...naturally when they had to show skill in using their CD's/positioning and/or trying to escape with speed pots or FAP's ( pathetic btw ) it all came to the same resault.....
Hence, when you are struggaling with FOTM's or overbuffed 24's you learn to make out the most with your gear/ench/CD's/positioning etc. cause we don't one shot or are unbreachable like 24's are.....so yes we use our disadvantages to the max ! Unlike most of 24's who aren't in those kind of situations very often so they fail at producing the most out of their char...am watching that every day in BG's for last 3 years.
One of you asked me ''what do you mean with what you've got '' what kind of a question is that ? don't you see the diff in gear/stats/ench when you compare a f2p with a 24 ? what are you blind or retarted ?
Yes yes i know most of you are old 19's who thought that they were continuing their roll of ''twinking'' in the 20-24 bracket, that's so romantic .. i mean nothing's as challenging as entering a BG with a 2:1 ratio and making up excuses as you go along, while concidering yourself a PVP'er !
Most of you 19's comprehend the pvp mechanics of the game but as 24's forget about the struggal cause you have it much much easier.
Was just wodering how many of you ''PVP'ers'' would play this bracket if it was only f2p ? You know ... ''mano e mano''
When someone has it much harder ( like f2p's do - cause a number of us choose to, and not because we're cheap.I personally have payed for the game for 5 years and came to a conclussion that it's not worth it any more, seeing every new patch since WOTLK was more and more idiot friendly and not to mention about the patheticness of paying just so i could play a 24 amongst f2p'2 )
Can't remember how many times i have seen over and over again fail 24's which i have killed cause they underestimated the fight in the dog cause of it's size...naturally when they had to show skill in using their CD's/positioning and/or trying to escape with speed pots or FAP's ( pathetic btw ) it all came to the same resault.....
Hence, when you are struggaling with FOTM's or overbuffed 24's you learn to make out the most with your gear/ench/CD's/positioning etc. cause we don't one shot or are unbreachable like 24's are.....so yes we use our disadvantages to the max ! Unlike most of 24's who aren't in those kind of situations very often so they fail at producing the most out of their char...am watching that every day in BG's for last 3 years.
One of you asked me ''what do you mean with what you've got '' what kind of a question is that ? don't you see the diff in gear/stats/ench when you compare a f2p with a 24 ? what are you blind or retarted ?
Yes yes i know most of you are old 19's who thought that they were continuing their roll of ''twinking'' in the 20-24 bracket, that's so romantic .. i mean nothing's as challenging as entering a BG with a 2:1 ratio and making up excuses as you go along, while concidering yourself a PVP'er !
Most of you 19's comprehend the pvp mechanics of the game but as 24's forget about the struggal cause you have it much much easier.
Was just wodering how many of you ''PVP'ers'' would play this bracket if it was only f2p ? You know ... ''mano e mano''
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Yes
8 agility libram head enchant has been nerfed to 4 agi on ptr
What do you mean have it harder? We actually have to work to pay for the game
We are talkin about game itself , not pay thing... I once paid now I don't.
F2p takes strategy/other good shit to master and defeat ptps ... so yea we are good.
"F2p takes strategy/other good shit to master and defeat ptps ... so yea we are good."
What the other guy said, trying and succeeding are not the same. I could play naked and claim it's UBER hard for me to defeat others and say I'm good.
And unlike other brackets, I'd say f2p has the highest "shit player %", so overall this struggle hasn't helped you out much. I'm not talking KB's on a scoreboard either, but the endless stream of keyboard turning backpaddling players.
What the other guy said, trying and succeeding are not the same. I could play naked and claim it's UBER hard for me to defeat others and say I'm good.
And unlike other brackets, I'd say f2p has the highest "shit player %", so overall this struggle hasn't helped you out much. I'm not talking KB's on a scoreboard either, but the endless stream of keyboard turning backpaddling players.
Grovel at our feet, peasants.
We aren't talking about naked peeps , we be talkn bout good geared f2ps.. and I think playing in this ... unbalanced shit makes you way more decent in 90stats. You might never loose a lv 90 BG... back ot-- a f2p has lots of things to deal with. Unbalance... ptps... a decnentie never backpeddles.
lots of enchants nerfed on ptr
scorched @ 29: 8 ap 9 crit
tbc shoulder enchant @ 29: 3 crit 2 ap
arcanum of ferocity (head enchant) @ 29: 7 ap 6 crit
glove reinforcement @ 29: 12 stam
all enchants seem to have gotten really nerfed
which means 5.3 is making a comeback for f2ps, they will probs be more than viable again (which is great)
scorched @ 29: 8 ap 9 crit
tbc shoulder enchant @ 29: 3 crit 2 ap
arcanum of ferocity (head enchant) @ 29: 7 ap 6 crit
glove reinforcement @ 29: 12 stam
all enchants seem to have gotten really nerfed
which means 5.3 is making a comeback for f2ps, they will probs be more than viable again (which is great)
i'd love to see the gap between f2p and p2p shrink. i shelved my f2ps after the last patch because shit just go too over the top.
i have about the same stats on my 29 on ptr and on live so i guess i was wrong about the gap closing?
The 9 levels of scaling put us on par with a lvl 29's base stats, as well as increase the stats on our gear a bit. More than likely 29/p2p gear will be stronger than our scaled gear, as is the case with 24 gear currently (which will also scale in a lvl 29 bracket).
The super nerfed enchants are additional to that. No counteracting.
Still looking promising though. '-'
If you have lost stats to enchant nerfs but you still have the same stats, it's possible that base stats have been increased. f2p's would see the same base stats in bg so, gap closed. Otherwise something is probably not quite right.
Speed items / enchants got buffed. Firstly, all speed enchants are now +10% (up from 8%) and they STACK. So my priest with Defiler's Cloth Boots - Item - World of Warcraft + boar's speed (3 stam + minor speed) has 120% total speed.
This has the potential to be insane for druids. Ab boots + boar's speed + the new cloak enchant + feline swiftness + catform....I'll go try it now
edit; Sorry cloak enchant changed ages ago, I forgot. Although higher levels could get the movement speed meta gems.
Feline swiftness + catform = 145% speed
+ AB boots = 155%
+ boar's speed = 165% normal, 235% dash, 116% stealth, 164% stealth + dash
Mounts are 160% lol (unless paladin with that talent making it 176%)
This has the potential to be insane for druids. Ab boots + boar's speed + the new cloak enchant + feline swiftness + catform....I'll go try it now
edit; Sorry cloak enchant changed ages ago, I forgot. Although higher levels could get the movement speed meta gems.
Feline swiftness + catform = 145% speed
+ AB boots = 155%
+ boar's speed = 165% normal, 235% dash, 116% stealth, 164% stealth + dash
Mounts are 160% lol (unless paladin with that talent making it 176%)
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You might not have been wrong when you said it, the game probably just changed in the meantime or something. I would be mildly surprised if they do not fix enchants so that they all have a similar level of relative power. They really need to do this if they plan on PvP while leveling be a viable option for new players. They have stated that they were working on it, but we all know that it doesn't mean it won't necessarily happen, ever.
While the f2ps and their hangers-on have different views on their vision. I see at least two things not happening:
1) F2ps becoming retardedly non-viable. Why? It's against Blizzards self interest. If they fix the beginning of the game, including the PvP, they might draw new players in the game's sunset years. If they don't, they won't. Many facets of this game are hopelessly broken for new players without heirlooms, reputation enchants, and other advantages you really need to be on the same level as veteran players while leveling.
2) Overpowered enchants making it live. Really, it's been absurd. It's gone on too long. My mind simply won't allow this scenario to play out in my head. If they let this play out for another patch, I will have lost all faith in Blizzard.
Basically, the things that need to be fixed for f2p are the same issues that need to be fixed for the game to remain viable, in general. So, I wouldn't expect to see all the changes I want at WoD launch, but I'm really hoping for soon after, Or all their work is naught, Ghostcrawler and is a liar, and needs to go along with Bobby Kotick at CEO.