WOD 20-29 Hell yes

Its all a matter of perspective but Its a pretty present and visual fact that 19s have more rogues in their games than the average 20-24 WSG.

If that somehow doesn't down rank 19 pug WSG to another tier I'd have to assume you're biased ;)
 
asapoverlord said:
Its all a matter of perspective but Its a pretty present and visual fact that 19s have more rogues in their games than the average 20-24 WSG.

If that somehow doesn't down rank 19 pug WSG to another tier I'd have to assume you're biased ;)
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So you're saying that because we may have more of one class than you do our bracket should be downgraded. Good one. 19s the best.
 
Cipe said:
So you're saying that because we may have more of one class than you do our bracket should be downgraded. Good one. 19s the best.
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Yes, because the 19s bracket has an overabundance of rogues, it is downgraded. 19s is the 3rd best, be happy it's not dead last. :)
 
leveling players to 29 may be a mistake, until it is known what scaling will be in BGs. imo i would target level 25 for some classes depending if the glyph is game breaking at 25 or a "i win" talent at 26, but that may make you weaker.

other x9's have reason to worry including 19's and 39's. little is talked about in the 19 bracket about scaling but other than some key talents which are changing in MOP, 15 and 16 players gear scales higher than the same gear a 19 wears which makes up for the lack of various rings and neck.

stats on a 19:
chitonous bracers are 2,3,2 on a 15 are 3,5,3 (same as 19 BIS)
black wolf bracers are 3,4,3 on a 16 are 4,5,4
fang gloves are 6,4 on a 16 are 8-5
cobran's boots are 4,5,4 on a 15-16 are 4,7,4
monkey satchel belt are 6,6 on a 15-16 are 7,7
bandit belt are 5,5,5, on a 15-16 are 6,6,6
malachite pendant are 2, on a 15-16 are 3
stendels wedding band are 5, on a 15-16 are 6
silverlaine family signet 5,3 on a 16 are 5,4
boa ring 3, 5, 3 for 15-19 in BG

you add up the +1-2 points and if the 15-16 has a BOA ring VS neck/ring a 19 has equipped, for many classes there is nearly drastic loss when in a BG

there aren't alot of players at 15-16 in 19, because the bracket was made to go to 19 under conditions that do not exist anymore. also to see the scaling on some items you have to move them to your bags in a BG which will show the +scaling, you will see it in your stats when re-equipping even though it doesn't in the equipment slot.

wait to see what happens when it comes to 20-29, in the current 20-24 bracket you do not have to go 24 on all classes
 
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shanker said:
depending if the glyph is game breaking at 25 or a "i win" talent at 26...
...wait to see what happens when it comes to 20-29
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Sounds correct Shanker, I'm very interested to see what happens to Monks. As it stands now: (26 Expel Harm)(26 Guard)(28 Disable) would be nasty. Last I heard they were getting rid of Clash in WoD, which is a bummer.
 
shanker said:
there aren't alot of players at 15-16 in 19, because the bracket was made to go to 19 under conditions that do not exist anymore. also to see the scaling on some items you have to move them to your bags in a BG which will show the +scaling, you will see it in your stats when re-equipping even though it doesn't in the equipment slot.
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The reason that there aren't a lot of players at 15-16 isn't because everyone is already 19. Those levels are straight up worse than 19 in most situations (i.e. everything except max crit on a caster with double stendel's/walking boots/noble's robe or rogue going max mongo damage with scaled tail spike over kick because the only thing they can do is sap and burst people before they die). Leveling to 19 gains a lot of key spells and pieces of gear.

There will be a couple specs here and there that benefit from playing a lower level in mid brackets, but the for the most part scaling is and will be enough to let people contribute to the team without being a major liability - not a new BiS.
 
I did not realize this topic was about "19's". Did I click on the wrong thread?

In the upcoming 20-29 bracket, many of the abilities come at the "even" levels. With the exception of glyphs.
/cheers

Sweetsydney
 
Allybeboba said:
I did not realize this topic was about "19's". Did I click on the wrong thread?

In the upcoming 20-29 bracket, many of the abilities come at the "even" levels. With the exception of glyphs.
/cheers

Sweetsydney
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Everything is about 19s, man I'm dirty talkin bout 19s in bed even. .. srs bizz u know
 
Vianco said:
I really couldn't give a fuck if you believe us or not lmao
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Not our fault you made a rookie mistake in not screenshotting the first low level skirmishes in years, MoP-baby, now you're all defensive, cussing us out, because of your own screw-up. That shit might wash over fine over in the EU, but over here in NA, we call people on it when they make rookie mistakes. ;)
 
Swoops said:
The reason that there aren't a lot of players at 15-16 isn't because everyone is already 19. Those levels are straight up worse than 19 in most situations (i.e. everything except max crit on a caster with double stendel's/walking boots/noble's robe or rogue going max mongo damage with scaled tail spike over kick because the only thing they can do is sap and burst people before they die). Leveling to 19 gains a lot of key spells and pieces of gear.

There will be a couple specs here and there that benefit from playing a lower level in mid brackets, but the for the most part scaling is and will be enough to let people contribute to the team without being a major liability - not a new BiS.
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yep, in BOLD is what i basicly already said. the bracket was established before +scaling. if you look at some examples i gave the +scaling on just some items it makes up for the rings/necks 19's call BIS. 15-16's prior to +scaling were rather token players and yes contributed in 19's, but they do seriously well now. that being said 15-19 bracket is a 4 days a week bracket now. when the bracket merges with 10-14's, i don't foresee a rush to make players for a +scaling advantage

i was not trying to start a 19 thread in 20-24 bracket, just trying to show +scaling examples, yes they are 15-19 items but all brackets have +scaling for those below max level.

is in this thread and threads in 25-29 a bunch of johnny appleseed's are assuming 29's whether GF's or not, will be god mode. real lol is a 29 armory of supposed BIS wearing items as low as 20-24 with no reason to go level 26. if the player stayed 26, it would get +scaling on all those items, at 29 they do not.
 
Most importantly you can't scale up skill from the current crop of 19-24s to level of veteran 29s. Obviously there are a few that don't fit that, Willix for example.

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Shaket said:
Not our fault you made a rookie mistake in not screenshotting the first low level skirmishes in years, MoP-baby, now you're all defensive, cussing us out, because of your own screw-up. That shit might wash over fine over in the EU, but over here in NA, we call people on it when they make rookie mistakes. ;)
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A rookie mistake? I did this for my own, and a few of my close wow friends' sake, whom actually believe me lol. Do you not realize that I don't care about you? :eek: Dramatized asked me on skype if I knew anything about this, which I happened to do, so I thought to myself: I guess other people could possibly be interested as well. If you want to make entirely sure, I suggest you buy a beta key somewhere(or get a friend to give you one.. o' wait..) and test it out for yourself; I mean, if someone provided a screenshot it could've been photoshopped or even painted!
 
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