"How to beat a _____ with a _____": An F2P Community Collaboration

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  • This is a community project that I am spearheading. There is a lot of experience to be shared among F2P veterans. This project is to specifically focus on introductory to advanced strategies for one-on-one face-offs, whether in duels, or encounters in a battleground. The target audience is a moderately experienced player who understands the game but perhaps is trying out your class for the first time.

    HERE ARE THE RULES AND GUIDELINES


    1) Start your post with "How to beat a _____ with a _____." obviously filling in the classes. I want to make it easy for people to scan for the information that applies to their question.

    2) Limit yourself to one paragraph. Be concise and precise, make it as informative and digestible as possible: don't rant or ramble.

    3) PLEASE LIMIT EACH POST to only discussing ONE pair-off. You will probably have more than one guide, i.e. if your main is a druid, you'll probably want to talk about shaman vs druid, pally vs druid, etc. You can make more than one post, of course, keeping each pair-off in its own post. I would -ask-, but I won't make a stink about it, that you limit your posts to one an hour, or even one a day, so that others have a chance to get in their posts. There's no need to flood the thread.

    4) DO NOT post sarcastic, unhelpful posts that don't actually teach someone how to pit an X against a Y. If you don't adhere to this rule, I will report you and have your post removed for being off-topic. I'm trying to create something useful and meaningful for the community, and I will take it personally if you don't respect this.

    5) DO NOT REPLY to anyone else's post/guide. I mean it. If you disagree with the advice someone else gives, you can write your own guide. There will be another method for giving your opinion on which guide is the most useful/helpful/accurate, keep reading. This is NOT a place for debate, this is a forum for everyone to give their own perspective. It won't always match yours. Deal with it.

    6) WoWhead links to abilities and talents are most welcome. Heck, if you have videos explaining concepts, those are welcome as well. Don't be afraid to reference outside sources to make your guide more informative. (But do keep it concise.)

    HOW TO PROMOTE THE GUIDES YOU THINK ARE BEST

    I said earlier not to reply or refute another person's post and I meant it. This is not a place for argument. However, I want people to have a chance to promote the information that they think is most helpful and accurate. I also want to give people a little incentive for taking the time to write these mini-guides. So... If you see a post in this thread that you approve of, or agree with, or especially if it has helped you in some way, please give that post a "like". My intent is that a person should be able to come to this thread and find the posts with the most community approval by looking at the number of likes the posts have. This is your way of voting for the most useful information. Be generous: the respondents have taken the time to help out the community!

    OK I think that's all I've got, let's get this going. I have no idea how successful this will be, so you guys have a chance to surprise me and to make a difference in the community. I look forward to your responses!
     
    Protection paladins:

    vs 24 Shadow Priest - You have to maximalise the cooldown usage here. If you use one too fast or too late it will probably be the end. Hope that they are overconfident and don't recast bubble whenever possible.

    Fight: You get dotted and SP starts casting Mind Blast. When he starts casting immediatelly use your Avenger's Shield to interrupt the cast (Do NOT wait to interrupt it in the last second - remember that shield has to fly to the target and SPs can have high haste) now cast Judgment and run towards your target (you should use Long Arm of the Law ) and use Crusader Strike to build up 1 holy power. Don't use it immediatelly. SP will proceed and cast a Mind Blast on you. You should have 2/3 of your health now and SP will be at 2/3 of theirs. They will start to Mind Flay so it's time to Bring them to the Light during that time you have to use Crusader Strike again and Judgment. It's also the time to cast one (just one!) Flash of Light If after cast you are lower than 50% of your health use it again. Now priest is no longer stunned and he is ready to beat the shit out of your paladin. Mind Blast together with Mind Flay will probably bring you close to death, that's why you have to Avenger's Shield their Mind Blast. When he channels the flay you have three options depending if you are with flag or not.
    1. I hold flag now! - Use Lay on Hands and WoG
    2. I don't hold flag now! - Use Divine Shield and heal yourself up
    3. I can't use any of the two above spells! - Use the combo in this order: Lifeblood -> WoG -> Flash of Light
    Finish them off with a frisbee or judgment + strike

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    Prot paladin vs 24 rogue

    24 rogue will open on you and you will drop below 1/2 hp during the first seconds of the fight thanks to Ambush + EvisceRape . You have to act immediatelly - Bring them to the Light , Judgment and Cleanse any poison on you. Then the fight comes pretty easy - if you manage to escape and you are not poisoned then:
    - Rogue chases you - Judgment kiting
    - Rogue runs away - Judgment to get some movement speed
    - Rogue restealthed - Holy Wrath will get them out of stealth if they are close
    - Rogue trinketed the HoJ and im in deep shit - Judgment + Trinket their poison if Cleanse is on CD - don't hesitate to open a 2 min CD especially if you are with a flag.

    Whatever happened if you have some distance try to show them how much F2Ps hate 24s with the pure force of the MIGHTY FRISBEE

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    will be continued
     
    How to beat a 24 Shadow with a Frost Mage

    Ok don't be scared, you will do better then you think.
    1.) Frostbolt
    1.) Break cast and Counterspell the Mindblast
    2.) Frostbolt
    3.) They will try to heal as they get low. Burn a pet freeze and Frostbolt/Fire Blast to combat the Flash Heal. Or sheep once.
    4.) At this point Mind Blast is coming off CD. Triple sheep their cast.
    5.) Sheep is now DR'd, make sure you are in a position to Blink through their Mind Blast. Do so.
    6.) Immediately Counter their 5th attempt to cast MB.
    7.) Your blink should have landed you close but behind the Priest. Frost Nova and Shatter with Frostbolt.
    8.) Follow it up with Pet Freeze/FB. PoM a 2nd FB immediately after casting the first one. Both will Shatter for a total damage of 720.
    Hopefully that burst was enough. Rinse and Repeat. If you get in trouble Blink to range his MB.

    You might die from the dot. But at the very least you've locked a 1 hitting player for a good chunk of time. And ultimately as a mage, that's what you are there for.

    Cool thread!
     
    How to beat a (24) hunter with a rogue

    The key here is to be as quick, efficient and, to put it bluntly, ruthless as possibly. You want to burst down hunters FAST, otherwise, you will likely be reduced to a puddle of dead rogue. My perspective here is aimed mainly countering 24 hunts in bg's, possibly bending the rules here a bit by adding the extra variable of your/enemy team members.
    1. Ambush the sucker. The hunter is probably in combat, with his pet aimed at one of your fellow teammates. If not, try not to sap him, as it kind of gives him a heads-up that you are in the area and are about to attack. The ambush should be, for the hunter, completely unexpected. Try to ambush him when he is just starting his steady shot, they don't cancel the casting and it will allow you to get an extra mutilate or hemo off.
    2. The hunt will then likely disengage and target you. Pop evasion, swift pot if you have it, do not trinket the concussive shot that is bound to come. Keep going at him. If the disengage roots you, trinket it and keep going at him. If he backpedals (unlikely, but possible), then pop thistle tea, mutilate/hemo until he is roughly at 20% health and envenom/eviscerate.

    Keep in mind that there is a fair bit of chance involved. If your opening ambush crits and gets him down to around 35%, spam muti/hemo until out of energy, pop thistle tea, another mutilate/hemo until 4-5 combo points and finish him off.

    If he LoS, he will send his pet after you- kill it. If you have Anti-Venom (the only viable farm spot for this is on bloodmyst, but f2p hordes can get there too), remove the hunter poison sting. Ideally, if the pet is dead and you don't have any dots ticking on you, you can restealth and repoen and kill him.

    Keep calm, focus your inner hatred against 24 hunturds and be a murderer.

    "Murder never gets old" (Lord Godfrey, SFK)
     
    How to beat a rogue as lock:
    1. After he opens, start casting fear. Fakecast this one, so he uses his kick. If he seems like a rogue who does not know how to use kick, just cast it through
    2. His kick is now on cooldown, so cast another fear but this time cast it all the way through.
    3. Start casting a new fear instantly after you finished your first full cast, because chances are that the rogue will blow his trinket instantly. If he doesn't use trinket before about halfway your cast, just cancel the cast and proceed to step 4
    4. Cast immolate and optionally curse of enfeeblement on the target. If you managed to fear him to a safe distance, you'll have time to cast an incinerate here.
    5. When rogue starts moving close to you, use conflagrate to keep him snared.
    6. rouge ded

    Use defensive cds when you need, usually straight after ambush if you're already only few hundred hp
     
    2. The hunt will then likely disengage and target you.
    I dunno but if you sap a pet, a hunter knows you are in the area so an ambush is not a surprise and he probably sees you if hes not dumb or extremely busy and good hunters will scatter and not disengage at first :)

    Might aswell call this post "How to kill backpeddling 24 hunters who don't know how to play" :D

    Ok so i know i am not supposed to comment on these kinds of posts but i couldnt resist cause this aint gonna work.


    How to beat a hunter with a rogue. You don't and run as far away as possible.
     
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    hold S, reapply concussive shot, hit explosive shot on cd.... works vs everything.
     
    I REALLY appreciate how much you guys respect me by following my guidelines. It touches my heart.

    By the way this is sarcasm.
     
    I'll post a resto druid vs hunter and holy paladin vs hunter when I get off spring break, but this will only work against f2p hunters or very badly geared 24s, not geared 24s. I look forward to what people think!
     

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