Should the bracket move away from Bleeding Hollow?

Here is a summary I derived from this thread along with others. Please make any and all arguments you can as I am sure I have not thought of every possible point. Let's get some healthy discussion going on if there are things left to be said :)


I feel It is more beneficial for the community to be spread out across multiple servers as opposed to hoarding all to one server. Here are some ideas on the subject that I received upon asking the community itself.
Note: Many of these are not my arguments nor ideas.

Arguments For Bleeding Hollow Centralization:

-There are active and competitive wargames

-There are more people to play with

-With more players there is higher competition. With higher competition there should be more skill

-It is said to be easier to sync premades

-Starting a new guild without players is hard, so why not just play with a preformed guild

-Guilds may have hundreds of 19 twinks


Arguments For Free Realm Centralization: (Against Bleeding Hollow Centralization)

-When transferring off of your home server, twinking dies on that server. There is also no point in spending $25 with Real ID.

-Since there will be a twinking presence on more realms, more players may be interested in joining

-Guilds located on an isolated server could be more like a family which will result in guilds lasting longer

-Twinking away from Bleeding Hollow doesn't steal players from other guilds (especially A team players) as easy as a /ginvite

-AGMs may be easier to obtain for most players

-There may be more friendly communities on other realms

-Guild Rep BOAs will be acquired easier on home realms

-Those hundreds of non A Team players could be A Team for several other guilds since only 10 players matter per faction in a premade

-There may be more guilds that are premade-ready and therefore a wider range of skill levels between all guilds


It appears it comes down to wargames/duels between highly skilled players versus a wider range of servers that house active premade-ready twink guilds of all skill levels and diversities.

I would chose to have 20 premade-ready guilds of all skill levels and on other servers than to have 1-3 amazing premade-ready guilds on one server, most of which will fall apart after one cap.

Just my 2c along with ideas from many others on why it may be more beneficial for the community to transfer to bleeding hollow or be elsewhere.

Cheers,
~~Møçhâ~~
 
The thing with having players to play with... that doesn't really matter due to being able to cross realm que via real ID. Also not to mention, that cross realm wargames are available. It's very simple to form a wargame group with 2 leaders on the same server allowing others to be on a server of their choice. In other words, people should be able to go onto which server they want and they shouldn't follow the bandwagon because "everyone's doing it". At this point, I really don't see a valid arguement from anyone(and listed above) for being on one server, because no matter where you are you'd have people to play with, they just wouldn't be on the same server.

Edit- ALSO not to mention, if a premade is lost and if it really damages a guild's attitude, your 2 options would be to stay within the guild and improve, or pay $25. ;p Which for me, paying $25 isn't really all that optimal, as it wouldn't be for most people.
 
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tryiapriest3 said:
The thing with having players to play with... that doesn't really matter due to being able to cross realm que via real ID. Also not to mention, that cross realm wargames are available. It's very simple to form a wargame group with 2 leaders on the same server allowing others to be on a server of their choice. In other words, people should be able to go onto which server they want and they shouldn't follow the bandwagon because "everyone's doing it". At this point, I really don't see a valid arguement from anyone(and listed above) for being on one server, because no matter where you are you'd have people to play with, they just wouldn't be on the same server.

Edit- ALSO not to mention, if a premade is lost and if it really damages a guild's attitude, your 2 options would be to stay within the guild and improve, or pay $25. ;p Which for me, paying $25 isn't really all that optimal, as it wouldn't be for most people.
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exept if your server only has one guild then where would you go? being on one server with multiple guilds mean you only have to pay that 25$ once. Not to mention a huge majority of people have already payed to go to bh so are you suggesting they pay again to move off to another server?
 
augiddin said:
exept if your server only has one guild then where would you go? being on one server with multiple guilds mean you only have to pay that 25$ once. Not to mention a huge majority of people have already payed to go to bh so are you suggesting they pay again to move off to another server?
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Not at all. I'm suggesting that those who aren't on BH already probably shouldn't bother with it.

But to be honest, this kind of topic is so opinion based, that there's not exactly a "right" answer.
 
tryiapriest3 said:
The thing with having players to play with... that doesn't really matter due to being able to cross realm que via real ID. Also not to mention, that cross realm wargames are available. It's very simple to form a wargame group with 2 leaders on the same server allowing others to be on a server of their choice. In other words, people should be able to go onto which server they want and they shouldn't follow the bandwagon because "everyone's doing it". At this point, I really don't see a valid arguement from anyone(and listed above) for being on one server, because no matter where you are you'd have people to play with, they just wouldn't be on the same server.

Edit- ALSO not to mention, if a premade is lost and if it really damages a guild's attitude, your 2 options would be to stay within the guild and improve, or pay $25. ;p Which for me, paying $25 isn't really all that optimal, as it wouldn't be for most people.
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I agree with your points.. Just goes to show how valid the arguments for being on bleeding hollow are that I received..
 
augiddin said:
exept if your server only has one guild then where would you go? being on one server with multiple guilds mean you only have to pay that 25$ once. Not to mention a huge majority of people have already payed to go to bh so are you suggesting they pay again to move off to another server?
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The point is you don't guild hop in the first place
 
Dagamela said:
ez for a gm to say
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People have been guild hopping way before people started to move to BH and people will continue to as long as this bracket exists, the fact that you think this is magically going to change if people move off of BH is ridiculous.
 
augiddin said:
People have been guild hopping way before people started to move to BH and people will continue to as long as this bracket exists, the fact that you think this is magically going to change if people move off of BH is ridiculous.
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erm how is that even remotely related to what I said? lul
 
augiddin said:
People have been guild hopping way before people started to move to BH and people will continue to as long as this bracket exists, the fact that you think this is magically going to change if people move off of BH is ridiculous.
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The funny thing is I actually don't think it will just magically stop. It is a fact that it will be more difficult for players to guild hop if there's 25 dollars in the way every time they'd like to do so. I know it's been going on for years and I know It won't just stop. The fact that you truly believe I am ignorant enough to assume these things is what is redicous and has me questioning if you're merely trolling just for your own amusement or if you're actually serious.

Edit: instead of trying as hard as you can to rebutt my posts why don't you actually attempt creating a response to my thread that is actually valid and holds some ground?
 
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Mochabad said:
The funny thing is I actually don't think it will just magically stop. It is a fact that it will be more difficult for players to guild hop if there's 25 dollars in the way every time they'd like to do so. I know it's been going on for years and I know It won't just stop. The fact that you truly believe I am ignorant enough to assume these things is what is redicous and has me questioning if you're merely trolling just for your own amusement or if you're actually serious.

Edit: instead of trying as hard as you can to rebutt my posts why don't you actually attempt creating a response to my thread that is actually valid and holds some ground?
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its so daunting to argue with you ignorance. You literally said in the last page the point was that people won't guild hop and then admitted that it won't change that. 25$ may make people guild hop slightly less but the biggest reason people are guild hopping more now then previously is because guild does't matter when no one is premading. And i'm obviously rebutting points made in other posts like what are you even talking about!?!?!?!?!
 
Emelianenko said:
My thoughts;

I made the move from laughing skull to bleeding hollow about a year and a half ago. I moved because my boy rivfader said I should (brilliant reasoning, i know). All in all I think it was a good decision.

1. I got to play against rogues better than myself ( saxxon,slyddur etc,) which helped my game out tremendously. I understand that some people like to dodge competition for ego purposes, but I think that the majority of people want to improve. The overall skill level on Bleeding Hollow is 2nd to none as far as 19 twinks go, so anyone looking to get better would be wise to xfer here.

+1 for BH

2. The people. I've found amazing arena partners (wtbdispel) and some good friends on bleeding hollow. The community is a little abrasive to be sure, but if you aren't a petulant child this shouldn't bother you too much.

+1 for BH


Now for the big glaring negative, atleast in my eyes.

Playing on bleeding hollow is not for everyone. Most of the guilds wont take someone who isn't atleast decent (Decent by 19 standards). This creates a cliquey atmosphere that can be intimidating to newcomers.

-1 BH


Overall, I'd rate my experience on BH as quite positive. If you want to chill on some pve server talking about how good your guild was 4 years ago, don't come. If you thrive on competition and want to get the most out of your 19 tinking experience, BH is worth a look.


riff raff reezy
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Great post! Do you think you could have improved yourself while staying on laughing skull by playing against BH in warsong and/or 2v2 or 3v3 wargames cross realm? Possibly while even working on your own guild and getting it premade ready on LS?
just for healthy discussion is why I inquire ;)
 
I was just wondering if you felt someone could gain the benefit of improvement on a similar level of being on BH while instead just facing those players cross server in wargames and wsg. And for the record there was no disrespect to ls ftw meant by my questions, I love those guys and have even premaded with them<3 thanks for the constructive posts! I am still not convinced ones wsg game will improve if you are on BH however.
;)
 
I don't mean to offend anyone, but keeping this thread alive is like beating a dead dog...

-_-

From what I can see, no one really cares.
 
Yes and no. The problem isn't that people are on BH, so much that the problem is the group queuing into randoms. If you stop acting like you're facing premade groups whenever you queue, then the bracket can be a better place.
 
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