New 'Fairness' Policy for AP AGM! (Coming Soon!)
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I don't care. It's the principle. It's called character. I've helped others get the chest. I've joined groups to help others get it. I've waited my turn while Earl had Joocy mow down every legit 20 that wanted it. I wouldn't care if Secclusion wanted anyone else to get it.
But when you're done boosting your toons, go do something else. Don't stay around and stop others from doing what you just did and call it balancing or fair. It's rediculous.
Call me a whiner, a crier, I don't care, it doesn't bother me but I think people deserve to know the truth so they can make their own judgments on character.
But when you're done boosting your toons, go do something else. Don't stay around and stop others from doing what you just did and call it balancing or fair. It's rediculous.
Call me a whiner, a crier, I don't care, it doesn't bother me but I think people deserve to know the truth so they can make their own judgments on character.
If you want to be all upset about this, then be a martyr and delete all those trinkets, please, because i really really think its sad that you are too ignorant to see the end result of this. Like i said though, delete the arena trinkets, i dont care, like Earl said, you are pursuing something that should be sought after by a 20 that is near BiS, you arent even close, you took the time to get a sea turtle before you did things to improve your gear.
Excuse me gentlemen, but I feel the need to step in here.
I was one of the two founders of the concept of the Aerie Peak Strike Force, and I feel I have a personal investment in the name, and how it is used. I have nothing to do with the guild by the same name, as I am a F2P and always will be.
The APSF was originally envisioned as a moniker to demonstrate the finest example of what a F2P could strive to be. When jenks, who is a good friend of mine, decided (without consulting me) to use our brainchild as the name for his guild, it hurt me, but I never said anything because I trust him. Likewise I have played with jdoring extensively, both before and after the formation of this guild. I know these guys, I group with them all of the time. It seems to me like for the most part they are still promoting the interests of the F2P community. For the most part.
There was a time when I asked Backpeddlr (barthilastwink) to remove a custom APSF badge he had created from his board profile, because I felt his conversations with and about the 24s in the bracket were not in line with what the APSF stood for. To his credit, he not only immediately complied, but changed his tone in the forums. He stepped up and improved his offline game, so to speak, and I therefore think he is a real credit to the positive power of the Aerie Peak Strike Force name.
I have held my dismay in check at the way the members of the APSF guild mailed themselves BoE blues that F2P 20s -could- in theory and with much work obtain, and use Rumsey Rums that an F2P -could- in theory spend all day farming to have that many, but that all adds up to a character that is effectively improbable to a genuine F2P. After all, they were still promoting the community, right?
And you, Kahr, I remember distinctly the thread where -I-, in the mantle of the spirit of the APSF, convinced you to join our community when you were ready to walk away from it before even starting. I, always with an eye towards the cohesiveness of our community above ALL else, wanted to show you that community and see you fall in love with it the way I have.
And that, my friend, and I mean no sarcasm there, is why I can't sit idly by and watch as someone who wears the moniker that Earl and I created from nothing, and promoted and made what it is through hard work and constant, persistent promotion in battlegrounds, tell another F2P player to "shut the hell up". Pree was a member of the original Aerie Peak Strike Force... not this guild that wears the name of the old idea, but the original principle that it is supposed to stand for.
I welcomed you into this community, but not so that you could start throwing your weight around while wearing that name. I probably should have expressed my dismay to Earl the very first day he used our name for his own guild, but I didn't. I will live with that, but I can't live with watching the name that I worked so hard to build up, be brought down by someone with an attitude problem. I don't care how valuable the other members of your guild think it is to have a high level around to help them... if they ever agreed with and understood the principles that the Aerie Peak Strike Force stood for, then they'll join me in telling you that you can't talk to other people in this community that way. I'm putting my full faith in them to value the community over their personal gain because I believe in them and trust that they'll do the right thing.
Earl, I'm sorry that I never mentioned to you how upset I was that you used the name that we created together to promote your own P2P endeavors. I do feel like you've allowed what it stands for to change, if you don't stop your members from talking to people like that. Even if Pree were completely in the wrong (and notice that nowhere in here do I even touch the issue of who is right or wrong), the APSF that -I- created and promoted would never, ever respond to someone with that sort of tone. I've had to pull Backpeddlr short on that before, and I've had to pull you short on that before too. I would expect that if you're going to use that name, that you're going to pull him short as well. I hope that you agree, or everything we--me especially, constantly having to encourage you to use those promotional macros--have worked to create was for nothing.
TL;DR version: if you're going to wear the Aerie Peak Strike Force name, treat it with the respect that I deserve for having made it mean something.
I was one of the two founders of the concept of the Aerie Peak Strike Force, and I feel I have a personal investment in the name, and how it is used. I have nothing to do with the guild by the same name, as I am a F2P and always will be.
The APSF was originally envisioned as a moniker to demonstrate the finest example of what a F2P could strive to be. When jenks, who is a good friend of mine, decided (without consulting me) to use our brainchild as the name for his guild, it hurt me, but I never said anything because I trust him. Likewise I have played with jdoring extensively, both before and after the formation of this guild. I know these guys, I group with them all of the time. It seems to me like for the most part they are still promoting the interests of the F2P community. For the most part.
There was a time when I asked Backpeddlr (barthilastwink) to remove a custom APSF badge he had created from his board profile, because I felt his conversations with and about the 24s in the bracket were not in line with what the APSF stood for. To his credit, he not only immediately complied, but changed his tone in the forums. He stepped up and improved his offline game, so to speak, and I therefore think he is a real credit to the positive power of the Aerie Peak Strike Force name.
I have held my dismay in check at the way the members of the APSF guild mailed themselves BoE blues that F2P 20s -could- in theory and with much work obtain, and use Rumsey Rums that an F2P -could- in theory spend all day farming to have that many, but that all adds up to a character that is effectively improbable to a genuine F2P. After all, they were still promoting the community, right?
And you, Kahr, I remember distinctly the thread where -I-, in the mantle of the spirit of the APSF, convinced you to join our community when you were ready to walk away from it before even starting. I, always with an eye towards the cohesiveness of our community above ALL else, wanted to show you that community and see you fall in love with it the way I have.
And that, my friend, and I mean no sarcasm there, is why I can't sit idly by and watch as someone who wears the moniker that Earl and I created from nothing, and promoted and made what it is through hard work and constant, persistent promotion in battlegrounds, tell another F2P player to "shut the hell up". Pree was a member of the original Aerie Peak Strike Force... not this guild that wears the name of the old idea, but the original principle that it is supposed to stand for.
I welcomed you into this community, but not so that you could start throwing your weight around while wearing that name. I probably should have expressed my dismay to Earl the very first day he used our name for his own guild, but I didn't. I will live with that, but I can't live with watching the name that I worked so hard to build up, be brought down by someone with an attitude problem. I don't care how valuable the other members of your guild think it is to have a high level around to help them... if they ever agreed with and understood the principles that the Aerie Peak Strike Force stood for, then they'll join me in telling you that you can't talk to other people in this community that way. I'm putting my full faith in them to value the community over their personal gain because I believe in them and trust that they'll do the right thing.
Earl, I'm sorry that I never mentioned to you how upset I was that you used the name that we created together to promote your own P2P endeavors. I do feel like you've allowed what it stands for to change, if you don't stop your members from talking to people like that. Even if Pree were completely in the wrong (and notice that nowhere in here do I even touch the issue of who is right or wrong), the APSF that -I- created and promoted would never, ever respond to someone with that sort of tone. I've had to pull Backpeddlr short on that before, and I've had to pull you short on that before too. I would expect that if you're going to use that name, that you're going to pull him short as well. I hope that you agree, or everything we--me especially, constantly having to encourage you to use those promotional macros--have worked to create was for nothing.
TL;DR version: if you're going to wear the Aerie Peak Strike Force name, treat it with the respect that I deserve for having made it mean something.
You can count on Kincaide for making me feel bad about what I said, but I wont take it back because of the fact that most of us will never-ever get AGM if it wasnt for some higher power helping us (or in this case, simply leveling the playing field). You just have to be patient, like all f2p do, you have to be patient with drops, with gearing in the BGs and you have to be patient with this trinket especially. All that I have to say is that you shouldn't scold people who are paying, and who are level 20 and who do restrict the things that they can and cannot do, because of the simple fact that they can drop some gold and instantly become something that you really have the grounds to complain about, a 24. Kahr (Seclussion) is simply trying to help everyone out, excuse him for rewarding himself first.
Kincaide sorry that you feel that way about the guild man..
Kincaide sorry that you feel that way about the guild man..
complete fucking scum
i sat on my 70 twink at gurubashi for a few weeks when my sub was up trying to help f2p players get their agm. i did it mostly to help people with nothing i wanted in return. there were days i didn't feel like getting up every 3 hours to sit and help people i barely new get pixelated gear. it was a thing where i just so happened to have a geared 70 on the same server that many f2p players congregated on.
if my sub was still active i'd tell my entire guild to come down there and camp it every chance they got so you would never get it.
If someone brings there main here to get there own agm and then is willing to fairly help the rest of the community, I say let them, crying about it is pretty pathetic, i was thinking of bringing my own main here to do something similar
makes me wish for the old days where my guild would front up with 6-10 end game toons and anyone who wanted it had to wait in line like a little bitch, everybody got them in the end and we were stronger as a community
makes me wish for the old days where my guild would front up with 6-10 end game toons and anyone who wanted it had to wait in line like a little bitch, everybody got them in the end and we were stronger as a community
I take a big risk by laying it all out there, my friend. I went into it knowing that. But please understand, while I have my concerns about some of your practices I don't despise the guild or you guys at all. I know that Earl has already had to remove some people from the guild who did not conform to its policies or its spirit, and I guess what I'm really trying to do is remind everyone that I think I still have a stake in what those policies and spirit are/is. (awkward grammar.) I can't speak for you guys, but I consider myself a non-tag-wearing founding member of the organization. I feel like the name and the reputation of the APSF has come mostly from my efforts. My post here was all about the way in which APSF members were talking to other members of the community... not -what- was being said, as I'm not involved in that argument, but -how- it is being said. I hope that makes sense to you Shau.
regardless what everyone thinks. im going to get my AGM. and i will LEAVE the arena, i wont guard you from ANYTHING. a 85 comes and wants to farm the hell out of you? be my guest.
oh and Kincaide, sorry you feel that way, but your beloved Preez is going to use a 59 DK to do exactly what im doing for myself, so really dont see the point there.
i am helping people get their AGM, ive helped 2 thus far, and i want it for myself now. its human nature. why should i gear the rest of the community while i fall behind? what is the point?
oh and Kincaide, sorry you feel that way, but your beloved Preez is going to use a 59 DK to do exactly what im doing for myself, so really dont see the point there.
i am helping people get their AGM, ive helped 2 thus far, and i want it for myself now. its human nature. why should i gear the rest of the community while i fall behind? what is the point?
Yeah, I use the AH, bought some BoE blues and use RR... Yeah, well I pay 15 measly little dollars a month. I enjoy playing this bracket, but the community has turned into a bunch of freeloading whiners with some skewed sense of entitlement. I constantly offer my services to people (with the exception of a specific bad) and I ask nothing in return. If you're not offering something up, what do you deserve? If you don't like the way things are, fork up a marginal sum of money or don't play.
Yea man I got what you are saying, which is why I tried to be more nice about what I said? (more awkward grammar haha) But yea from my PoV with the whole p2p/f2p thing I see both sides, I have a f2p and I know what its like to grind for rum, and I know what its like to try getting AGM without help. I know what f2p is like. My favorite 20 is my Mage because it takes a ton more work to get geared, which makes it exponentially more rewarding, but like Earl and Shift are saying, we pay for the game, we consistently make groups for the f2p toons, and I mean on a daily basis, so why is it so bad that we do some of the things f2p cant do? I dont think I will ever understand that part right there, but I do understand why you felt it was time to step in.
I love how everyone in this thread is ally.
Oh Earl. I love you man, you know I do. But it really does hurt me to see you refer to the same people that we once worked so hard to bolster up as freeloading whiners. I know you wouldn't say that unless you really felt it, so I'm sorry that you feel that way. There may be times when I don't feel like stopping to help or to answer questions, but I still do it anyway, because that's the role in the community that I carved for myself. I worry that you don't feel that way anymore because you've been spending so much time focusing more on P2P things? I mourn the loss of the idealism we once had about the F2P community... and there is nothing but the utmost appreciation for everything you have done and continue to do for this community, and even for me personally. I only wish and hope that along the way, you haven't become completely jaded to it all. It's time to really have some fun again, my dear old friend.
You say I spend my time on p2p things? What does that even mean? I have spent more time on my 20 than 90% of the community, and I have grinded all my BoAs. I don't have an 85 on this server, or anywhere else for that matter. I grind gold for armor kits, you skin a thousand pigs. Tell me the difference in ideals there?
this isnt the end of the world dude. we're p2p, we pay for the game, the very people everyone spite are the ones who let this bracket exist at all for free. all of this over an AGM? honestly? F2P need to understand that we get some special perks above everyone else, and AGM just so happens to be one of them because we can achieve level 85.
as skewed as everyone makes it seem, my intention with my 85 is to, yes, help a few friends and myself, but to ultimately protect the best interests of the TRUE f2pers who (although dont really deserve it) need help from being endlessly farmed by mid level characters or 85s for that matter at gurubashi arena.
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