I suggest you shouldn't queue if you're just going to give up.

[Talarinden]

[RAGE]

Sick of getting stuck in games with a bunch of quitters who ironically enough refuse to quit.

If you're going to stop trying 5 minutes in, AFK out. It's as simple as that.
Don't sit around and whine about how "They're better." and waste a battleground slot. If you leave, who knows, you might be replaced with someone useful? Warsong is 25 minutes long, by not afking when you just stop caring, you risk dragging a game out by another 20 or so minutes anyway, and a deserter buff lasts 15 minutes. Where's the logic in that?

No one wants a challenge, and no one wants a Deserter Debuff. It's one thing if you're getting farmed, sure, cancel resurrection and party on the opposing factions roof, but don't weigh your team down by sitting in mid with 2-3 other useless people and let the enemy team 2 cap just because you're failing at padding your stats.

Sure, it's just a game, but if you're going to sit around and waste everyone's time, why not find another activity better suited for you? I just don't understand the concept of,

"I died twice, I'm going to sit in mid for the rest of the game, because Warsong Gulch is HARDDDD QQ."

[/RAGE]

 

[Sly]

Re: Don't queue if you're just going to give up.

Might be redundant to say since you've already posted there but topics like this might better fit here.

That being said, it's always annoying to have deadweight on your team. It's just one of those things that you can't stop and have to learn to cope with, like language barriers in BGs or 24s on either side. Some days the WoW gods will smile down on you, and other days they will test your faith and devotion to Azeroth.

 

[Talarinden]

Re: Don't queue if you're just going to give up.

Might be redundant to say since you've already posted there but topics like this might better fit here.

That being said, it's always annoying to have deadweight on your team. It's just one of those things that you can't stop and have to learn to cope with, like language barriers in BGs or 24s on either side. Some days the WoW gods will smile down on you, and other days they will test your faith and devotion to Azeroth.

Nah, I know about that topic, it's just that the last time I raged in the rage thread someone raged at me. So I just assumed it's not really for raging, some people here seem to be too sensitive. I figured if I have something to say I should say it in my own thread and not a public compilation thread, seeing as no one has to read this if the title is "Hey this is what this is about", there's little excuse for twisting panties. This is a very broad subject in it's own right so I don't feel like I'm congesting the forums seeing as 3-4 of the other topics I'm seeing on the first page are mostly nonsense anyway.

But I could be wrong. It is what it is.

 

[Mocha]

Re: Don't queue if you're just going to give up.

I'd rather have undergreared twinks who complain than good ones who /afk upon a death or first cap. Although I do understand your frustration, at least in 15-19 if someone /afks it takes several minutes to replace that person despite having plenty of people in queue without a pop.

Cheers bud and head up!
Mocha

Edit and to be fair twinking used to be anywhere from 1-5 twinks out of 10 in a bg and usually never more than that except for premades.

 

[Zatox]

Re: Don't queue if you're just going to give up.

I'd rather have undergreared twinks who complain than good ones who /afk upon a death or first cap. Although I do understand your frustration, at least in 15-19 if someone /afks it takes several minutes to replace that person despite having plenty of people in queue without a pop.

Cheers bud and head up!
Mocha

Edit and to be fair twinking used to be anywhere from 1-5 twinks out of 10 in a bg and usually never more than that except for premades.

That's basically what this bracket is. New players, f2p twinks, and 24s. This bracket resembles what WoW was back then. Levelers, half assed twinks, and real twinks.

 

[Neon]

Re: Don't queue if you're just going to give up.

Don't queue if you don't know wtf you are doing.

 

[Lil]

Re: Don't queue if you're just going to give up.

[RAGE]

Sick of getting stuck in games with a bunch of quitters who ironically enough refuse to quit.

If you're going to stop trying 5 minutes in, AFK out. It's as simple as that.
Don't sit around and whine about how "They're better." and waste a battleground slot. If you leave, who knows, you might be replaced with someone useful? Warsong is 25 minutes long, by not afking when you just stop caring, you risk dragging a game out by another 20 or so minutes anyway, and a deserter buff lasts 15 minutes. Where's the logic in that?

No one wants a challenge, and no one wants a Deserter Debuff. It's one thing if you're getting farmed, sure, cancel resurrection and party on the opposing factions roof, but don't weigh your team down by sitting in mid with 2-3 other useless people and let the enemy team 2 cap just because you're failing at padding your stats.

Sure, it's just a game, but if you're going to sit around and waste everyone's time, why not find another activity better suited for you? I just don't understand the concept of,

"I died twice, I'm going to sit in mid for the rest of the game, because Warsong Gulch is HARDDDD QQ."

[/RAGE]

1 thing. If you wanna last here on TI you're gonna need to change your attitude quickly.. People don't put up with crap around here generally.

As of late I have started "quitting" midway through the bg cause I can generally see within the first 3 minutes if it's gonna be a complete faceroll or if it will be a possible fun bg. Ask [MENTION=9612]SallyG[/MENTION]. I have been in this bracket long enough and saved enough bgs or had enough miraculous wins that I guess my desire for those kind of bgs are gone. I no longer care as much about denying the 3 cap. I no longer really care about trying to cap over and over if I'm literally being 1v7 everytime I do. If people want to do 5 person premades and run 5 healers or 5 prots or some OP ass comp then I'll give them want they want and I'll let them faceroll. I won't quit playing just cause the team caps once and I won't generally just sit there in a spot and hide but I will stop trying to grab flag or stop efc (hell half the bracket never does that in the first place so I'm just lowering my gameplay to the avg pug).


What does piss me off though is people who afk in the last 2 minutes of a bg or who afk to save their ratio.. I'M SO FUCKING TIRED OF JOINING 2-0 BGS WHERE EFC IS HALFWAY ACROSS THE MAP. Don't afk to save your ratio. It makes you look stupid and seriously pisses off anyone who joins after you. I would honestly probably have a 5% higher win ratio if I never queued into a bg like that

 

[SallyG]

Re: Don't queue if you're just going to give up.

Ask SallyG.

Why would you mention me when my latest experience with you has been you giving up before the gates drop and sitting in one spot for the entire BG whining about losing, allies and the like...



To the OP: I agree. If you are going to be deadweight, /AFK. I've won games after whiners have dropped simply because *better* players have joined.

 

[Ozzed]

Re: Don't queue if you're just going to give up.

I would have to concur. This is almost as frustrating as people zerging in AB.

 

[Lil]

Re: Don't queue if you're just going to give up.

Why would you mention me when my latest experience with you has been you giving up before the gates drop and sitting in one spot for the entire BG whining about losing, allies and the like...

Actually I was dancing with bison and occupying one of their best players so I was doing something productive lol.. That group was there to faceroll so I made sure to allow them to do so. Not gonna anger myself trying to do everything and it not be enough. Games for fun isn't it? Why do something I don't find fun ^-^ I quoted you cause you could vouch for what I said. I will quit in the first 5 minutes if I know its gonna be a faceroll and you are one of the people who saw it.

 

[Earlwing]

Re: Don't queue if you're just going to give up.

Actually I was dancing with bison and occupying one of their best players so I was doing something productive lol.. That group was there to faceroll so I made sure to allow them to do so. Not gonna anger myself trying to do everything and it not be enough. Games for fun isn't it? Why do something I don't find fun ^-^ I quoted you cause you could vouch for what I said. I will quit in the first 5 minutes if I know its gonna be a faceroll and you are one of the people who saw it.

If bison was their best player, it should have been an easy win.

 

[Swoops]

Re: Don't queue if you're just going to give up.

Actually I was dancing with bison and occupying one of their best players so I was doing something productive lol.. That group was there to faceroll so I made sure to allow them to do so. Not gonna anger myself trying to do everything and it not be enough. Games for fun isn't it? Why do something I don't find fun ^-^ I quoted you cause you could vouch for what I said. I will quit in the first 5 minutes if I know its gonna be a faceroll and you are one of the people who saw it.

So why not leave and give the people trying at least a chance of having someone useful on their team? Just to say you don't AFK out of games? Seems about as selfish as someone AFKing to preserve their W/L ratio.

 

[SallyG]

Re: Don't queue if you're just going to give up.

Actually I was dancing with bison and occupying one of their best players so I was doing something productive lol.. That group was there to faceroll so I made sure to allow them to do so. Not gonna anger myself trying to do everything and it not be enough. Games for fun isn't it? Why do something I don't find fun ^-^ I quoted you cause you could vouch for what I said. I will quit in the first 5 minutes if I know its gonna be a faceroll and you are one of the people who saw it.

Actually the only vibe I get from you, is that you like faceroll games. You aren't willing to try in games that are challenging or the like. Make all the excuses you want, but it's transparent.

Also, I stand by what I said (and many others) if you aren't going to play, leave. Nobody wants you there. Nobody respects you for staying there and not participating. You are a complete and utter waste of a BG space. Which would be better filled with a white text speaking jajapally.

 

[Lil]

Re: Don't queue if you're just going to give up.

If bison was their best player, it should have been an easy win.

They had like 4 other healers and I think a couple 24s. Not 100% sure but it was a stacked horde team against basically just me swoops and sally.

So why not leave and give the people trying at least a chance of having someone useful on their team? Just to say you don't AFK out of games? Seems about as selfish as someone AFKing to preserve their W/L ratio.

The game literally lasted 10 mintues.. Stop acting like I would have been that game breaking or gotten us a win. I said it would be faceroll and it was. Why I'm getting so much crap for dancing with bison for 5 minutes then mid derping for 5 minutes I'm not sure.

Actually the only vibe I get from you, is that you like faceroll games. You aren't willing to try in games that are challenging or the like. Make all the excuses you want, but it's transparent.

Also, I stand by what I said (and many others) if you aren't going to play, leave. Nobody wants you there. Nobody respects you for staying there and not participating. You are a complete and utter waste of a BG space. Which would be better filled with a white text speaking jajapally.

Yes totally. I love to faceroll it's just so fun capping in 5 minutes.. Really surprised you said that seeing how many times I have faught toughly against you and other premades for a win. You should know I don't give up in close bgs I just gave up in one bg that was over in 10 minutes and never had any chance.. Stop acting like I don't try in bgs

 

[SallyG]

Re: Don't queue if you're just going to give up.

The game literally lasted 10 mintues.. Stop acting like I would have been that game breaking or gotten us a win. I said it would be faceroll and it was. Why I'm getting so much crap for dancing with bison for 5 minutes then mid derping for 5 minutes I'm not sure.

The game lasted 10 mins because I gave up after first or second cap. After our team's absolute refusal to do anything of use.

So no, I can't respect your attitude. And I think you are a faceroller. Take it to PMs if you have more. I'm done with OT crap.

And for everyone else, the game in question was against Faith, Phron, Bison, Zara and some others I can't recall. Mixed in with random 24s. It would have been a good game. But it wasn't.

 

[Izac]

Re: Don't queue if you're just going to give up.

I'm the kind of person who wiII keep trying to win the game even if there's a very good chance I'II get one shotted, zerged as soon as I step out of the FR, etc - not sure why, but I think it's because I don't get nearIy as frustrated as other peopIe when stuff happens - im very competitive, I just dont get that upset about things - or maybe it's because I actuaIIy think there's a chance I can make something great happen? maybe I'm just stupid. or maybe I've seen Iord of the rings too many times

We Cannot Defeat the Armies of Mordor - YouTube

but anyway

if you're around Iong enough, you know who the gemmers are, who the 24 premade try-hards are (aka 24 premades who actuaIIy pIay objectiveIy), and who the good pIayers are who stiII see the need/have fun wearing p2p gear and enchants and one shotting things, even if they couId have won with skiII aIone

when there's enough of those things on the other team, peopIe who a) have a pretty big advantage and b) know how to use it, a Iot of peopIe (Iike IiI) know it's going to be pretty stupid to pIay against that team

however I'd say 9 out of 10 times where the other team "Iooks tough" - has 3-4 24s, a ton of heaIers, etc - theyre reaIIy pretty winnabIe games

most peopIe just dont understand warsong guIch - they think that the point is to go to mid, kiII the other team, then go grab the fIag, kiII the other team again, etc

they dont know or care about avoiding the other team aIong the sides of the fieId, turtIing on rooftops, etc

if they cant win the fight in mid they think its over

it reaIIy just comes down to experience -- peopIe dont know the possibiIities, how quickIy games can change, how poorIy the other team can pIay/be out of position, etc

giving up takes the sting off of Iosing, if you just 'give' the team the win they aren't 'taking' the win from you -- too many peopIe just have too much concern about Iosing

my onIy probIem with afkers is that most of the time the games are very winnabIe

but not onIy that, you can stiII do awesome things even in a game thats not possibIe to win

 

[Dedruid]

Re: Don't queue if you're just going to give up.

I'm the kind of person who wiII keep trying to win the game even if there's a very good chance I'II get one shotted, zerged as soon as I step out of the FR, etc - not sure why, but I think it's because I don't get nearIy as frustrated as other peopIe when stuff happens - im very competitive, I just dont get that upset about things - or maybe it's because I actuaIIy think there's a chance I can make something great happen? maybe I'm just stupid. or maybe I've seen Iord of the rings too many times

We Cannot Defeat the Armies of Mordor - YouTube

but anyway

if you're around Iong enough, you know who the gemmers are, who the 24 premade try-hards are (aka 24 premades who actuaIIy pIay objectiveIy), and who the good pIayers are who stiII see the need/have fun wearing p2p gear and enchants and one shotting things, even if they couId have won with skiII aIone

when there's enough of those things on the other team, peopIe who a) have a pretty big advantage and b) know how to use it, a Iot of peopIe (Iike IiI) know it's going to be pretty stupid to pIay against that team

however I'd say 9 out of 10 times where the other team "Iooks tough" - has 3-4 24s, a ton of heaIers, etc - theyre reaIIy pretty winnabIe games

most peopIe just dont understand warsong guIch - they think that the point is to go to mid, kiII the other team, then go grab the fIag, kiII the other team again, etc

they dont know or care about avoiding the other team aIong the sides of the fieId, turtIing on rooftops, etc

if they cant win the fight in mid they think its over

it reaIIy just comes down to experience -- peopIe dont know the possibiIities, how quickIy games can change, how poorIy the other team can pIay/be out of position, etc

giving up takes the sting off of Iosing, if you just 'give' the team the win they aren't 'taking' the win from you -- too many peopIe just have too much concern about Iosing

my onIy probIem with afkers is that most of the time the games are very winnabIe

but not onIy that, you can stiII do awesome things even in a game thats not possibIe to win

Hear, hear to Izac! We are suh nooba together!

 

[Deadvulcano]

Re: Don't queue if you're just going to give up.

Which side wins?

 

[Earlwing]

Re: Don't queue if you're just going to give up.

Which side wins?

I'm guessing you noobs got carried by that pro Eldre'Thalas premade! I hear they stomp nerds.

 

[Lil]

Re: Don't queue if you're just going to give up.

The game lasted 10 mins because I gave up after first or second cap. After our team's absolute refusal to do anything of use.

So no, I can't respect your attitude. And I think you are a faceroller. Take it to PMs if you have more. I'm done with OT crap.

And for everyone else, the game in question was against Faith, Phron, Bison, Zara and some others I can't recall. Mixed in with random 24s. It would have been a good game. But it wasn't.

whoa whoa what? You are calling me out for giving up yet you then admit you gave up after the 1st or 2nd cap...? It doesnt matter if I gave up the first 3 minutes or if you gave up after the first cap.. You gave up as well. I gave up cause I saw the enemy team and saw our team and knew we had no chance. You gave up cause you tried and failed and saw our team doing nothing. What really are you arguing if you did the same exact thing just 5 minutes later..? Just cause you atleast attempted give you right to say I'm in the wrong for not trying and getting the same result and coming to the same conclusion?


If you think I'm a faceroller then you must be forgetting all the times I was basically the single reason why my team beat yours.. I love close bgs (check scoreboard thread) they are the most fun. I love bgs that we shouldn't win but do. HOWEVER I'm not stupid and I'm not gonna upset myself trying to do it all or trying to work with 2 other people vs 10 people when I know there is no point. They premaded to faceroll. They got their faceroll. I didn't get upset. Honestly it seemed like a win win for me cause I really don't care about my win ratio. I mean just later that day you premaded with faith and a couple others and I was with Izac fighting the whole time. I didn't give up and you still facerolled. Where's my /applaud for fighting for no reason and not giving up?

if you're around Iong enough, you know who the gemmers are, who the 24 premade try-hards are (aka 24 premades who actuaIIy pIay objectiveIy), and who the good pIayers are who stiII see the need/have fun wearing p2p gear and enchants and one shotting things, even if they couId have won with skiII aIone

when there's enough of those things on the other team, peopIe who a) have a pretty big advantage and b) know how to use it, a Iot of peopIe (Iike IiI) know it's going to be pretty stupid to pIay against that team

giving up takes the sting off of Iosing, if you just 'give' the team the win they aren't 'taking' the win from you -- too many peopIe just have too much concern about Iosing

qft