Yet another rogue (Alliance) :P
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Twinkytoes
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tweedledum said:
Hai Tweedledum <3
glancealot
Legend
a few quick points:
rapt0r is annoying but he has one good point, thrown weapon>14 agi gun (i have both, i rarely use the gun)
if you are alliance, there is no reason that you don't use the thrown weapon.
and regarding builds. doesn't matter whether you like ambush or not, glyph of ambush+improved ambush are a deadly combo in a lot of situations, i personally run around with this build most of the time i ambush with wsg dagger (wsg dagger is the best dagger with non-mongoose enchant, if you prefer mongoose, then widowmaker is better because mongoose proc's more(tested), i tried gut ripper horrible horrible proc chance) and then switch to a 2.7 weapon to spam hemo, ambush contributes to about 30% of my total dps...you absolutely need ambush because
a, burst is important, there are some classes that you just can't stun lock with combinations of cheapshot/hemo/gouge/kidneyshot at this level, you might as well do some dmg before you get owned.(hello SS warlock...)
b, 10 yard ambush is the best thing since sliced bread, no longer"out of range"
c, ambush+evis can catch a lot of healers off guard, and help return a lot of flags.
the good thing is, if you do weapon swap like i do, you get the best of both worlds.
best offhand, i havn't tested flurry axe yet, havn't played much since patch, although, doomforge/vanquisher/this(if you are horde)/flurry axe are my top picks.
rapt0r is annoying but he has one good point, thrown weapon>14 agi gun (i have both, i rarely use the gun)
if you are alliance, there is no reason that you don't use the thrown weapon.
and regarding builds. doesn't matter whether you like ambush or not, glyph of ambush+improved ambush are a deadly combo in a lot of situations, i personally run around with this build most of the time i ambush with wsg dagger (wsg dagger is the best dagger with non-mongoose enchant, if you prefer mongoose, then widowmaker is better because mongoose proc's more(tested), i tried gut ripper horrible horrible proc chance) and then switch to a 2.7 weapon to spam hemo, ambush contributes to about 30% of my total dps...you absolutely need ambush because
a, burst is important, there are some classes that you just can't stun lock with combinations of cheapshot/hemo/gouge/kidneyshot at this level, you might as well do some dmg before you get owned.(hello SS warlock...)
b, 10 yard ambush is the best thing since sliced bread, no longer"out of range"
c, ambush+evis can catch a lot of healers off guard, and help return a lot of flags.
the good thing is, if you do weapon swap like i do, you get the best of both worlds.
best offhand, i havn't tested flurry axe yet, havn't played much since patch, although, doomforge/vanquisher/this(if you are horde)/flurry axe are my top picks.
cruewk
OG
Locked said:
Nah, that's wrong for a 49 rogue imo.
Mining = Herbalism > Skinning
Get Mining and Herbalism and pair it with Atalia leggings. Skinning isn't that great because at 49 you can get an strong % of crit without skinning.
[char=Medivh]Cruewk[/char]
Breaking 18% crit is what you want. Breaking 3k HPs is a must for arena. My AP could use some help but the setup I'm using right now works well, especially for arena. A 40-50 AP difference won't do much, but you should break 700 AP.
Thrown > PCB because of GCD. It also hits a lot harder, around 200 damage and gets 450 crits. That's hemo damage right there.
Sentinel's Blade is a better OH because of stats, a .3 speed difference doesn't do anything. Thrash is the best MH for it's proc. Mongoose in MH and 20 agi in OH always.
Always break 40 hit, missing CS, KS, or garrote hurts a lot. Your opener is what makes you.
Taitaih
OG
Christ I leave for like 5 fucking days lol.
Shadowblade sucks in the OH. Doomforged, Widomaker, Enchanted Azsharited (for horde) with +65 AP are all much finer choices.
Thrown weapon is imba for Alliance (Thorium Fight Blade). PCB is nice if you're horde and can't get it.
Mining + Herbalism > Skinning. Unless you're really hurting for crit, and then you should probably take a second look into your gear/talent point allocation. Also make sure you're hitcapped without Blackstorm Leggings.
Don't troll when people are looking for information. Some people ARE new to this game at some point. They don't always get the right information they're looking for if you're being a dousche.
Shadowblade sucks in the OH. Doomforged, Widomaker, Enchanted Azsharited (for horde) with +65 AP are all much finer choices.
Thrown weapon is imba for Alliance (Thorium Fight Blade). PCB is nice if you're horde and can't get it.
Mining + Herbalism > Skinning. Unless you're really hurting for crit, and then you should probably take a second look into your gear/talent point allocation. Also make sure you're hitcapped without Blackstorm Leggings.
Don't troll when people are looking for information. Some people ARE new to this game at some point. They don't always get the right information they're looking for if you're being a dousche.
nosoup4crr
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twinkinfo used to be a safe haven from all of the mediocrity and trolling that existed on battlegroundforums.com. I'm thinking the jig is up, and we're finally seeing the last of the refugees that didn't know wtf was going on over there. New site, please, draynor.
Falkor
Twink Info Legend
nosoup4crr said:
have faith my brother, let not one troll quench thine spirits! i've only seen 2-3 threads actually get trolled (hmm...back around 3.1 i remember some furious fighting about retadins vs ms warriors....) its really not a problem here, which im thankful for and hope that it doesnt change.
oh also, it helps to kill trolling by not sidetracking the thread further. only post here if you have a question or can contribute, amirite? (not trolling, just saying lets keep the rest of this thread on the topic of 49 rogues!)
Hoboz
OG
Thx for the help people, specially Taitaih and cruewk. I can just link my armory (have in mind this is not 100% finished):
[char=eu-Emerald+Dream]Twinkedpink[/char]
Think I am gonna go for something like cruewk, mabye change the bracers for ST bracers of the monkey, I don't have those legs, but got of the monkey atm and I will just use Medal of Courage for a while until I acctually manage to get the coffer neck lol. AGM is gonna be a pain as there are always loooads of 80's there so can keep the BoA trinket and Tidal Charm for the moment (+ ofc the High-powered Flashlight). Still not 100% of 20 agility OH (mainly becuase I already have Sentinel's Blade with Mongoose on it in OH). Just a couple of questions to you cruewk, why have you gone for those shoulders and how much better is Fungus compared to BoA chest?
[char=eu-Emerald+Dream]Twinkedpink[/char]
Think I am gonna go for something like cruewk, mabye change the bracers for ST bracers of the monkey, I don't have those legs, but got of the monkey atm and I will just use Medal of Courage for a while until I acctually manage to get the coffer neck lol. AGM is gonna be a pain as there are always loooads of 80's there so can keep the BoA trinket and Tidal Charm for the moment (+ ofc the High-powered Flashlight). Still not 100% of 20 agility OH (mainly becuase I already have Sentinel's Blade with Mongoose on it in OH). Just a couple of questions to you cruewk, why have you gone for those shoulders and how much better is Fungus compared to BoA chest?
cruewk
OG
Hoboz said:
I don't have the patience for farming ST bracers or Monkey legs, if you want to go right ahead, they are certainly better choices.
In the end 20 agility in OH will provide more efficiency than Mongoose ever would. I know it's a hard to say goodbye to double mongooses, but you must man up and replace it!
I can't find the stats for the BoA shoulders, your armory is bugging and showing me that it gives 86 AP which is definitely the wrong stat.But I'm pretty sure you're losing a lot of crit and some minor AP for just a bonus +5 stam and the useless resil. It's not worth it imo.
I've been debating to myself whether Boa chest or Fungus is better. Here is the breakdown:
You lose a ton of crit replacing Fungus BUT it can mostly all be made up for trading 4 hit. I personally like to go over hit cap (which is 40) because it helps white attacks and other things but I'm rambling here so...
Let's say you trade the BoA chest for Fungus -
You lose 25 agility but gain more AP and stam. 25 agility is a huge amount of crit. You also gain 16 hit, which is barely worth it since you're already hit capped. With just the BoA chest and Flashlight you can get hit capped (16+24=40). That said you get hit from:
Blackstone Ring and Surefooted enchant. (16+24+10+10=60, 20 points not needed)
Replace Blackstone Ring with WSG ring which gives you 9 agility (25-9=16, not half a bad trade now).
But you're still sitting at 50 hit. This is where it gets tricky because I'm too lazy to test it but-
You can replace Surefooted with 12 agility (this gives you 14ish more AP). However, I'm more than sure that +10 crit rating > 12 agility, but it's only marginal.
So in the end you lose a decent amount of crit and 4 hit but gain ~25ish AP and 14 stam. It's your choice. Personally I'm biased and love crit. I think you can survive with just 17%+ crit, but in such a bursty bracket as 49s I would rather have 18%+. You might not even have to replace surefooted and just live over hit cap.
Oh if you do take the BoA chest over fungus though, getting +20 agi in OH is a MUST. You'll be sitting at 14% crit or lower without it.
glancealot
Legend
cruewk said:
it's kinda fun actually, you can solo farm them both (i have perfect monkey bracers(10/9)/attack power legs(46) and imperfect attack power(28) bracers/monkey legs(15/14))...
Hoboz
OG
Farmed ST a little, so far I have droped 2 x Atal'ai Leggings of the Monkey (one perfect, one not), 3 x Darkwater Bracers of the Monkey (1 imperfect and 2 perfect with 16 agility + 10 stam, want 17 agility + 9 stam though 
) and also got Atal'ai Leggings of Attack Power. Now I just need to get the Legs I acctually wanted (of Agility) and Bracers with 1 less Stamina and 1 more Agility. Started lvling my Herbalism and Mining (went for those two in the end). Still not 100% if I will go coffer runs, mainly because I don't know if I need the items, I think I will have to use the 20 attack power necklase if I want to reach my goals of 3k hp or more, 700 ap or more and 18% crit or more. After all this is done I reckon I will move on to AGM, The World Explorer and For the Alliance (these are all mabyes). Btw anyone know which lvl 49 twink has the highest achievement points?
Also decided to use Boomstick even tho the Thrown weapon has better GCD. This is mainly because I never really use ranged weapons much (I know lazy) and been farming loads of BRD bullets for the gun already.
) and also got Atal'ai Leggings of Attack Power. Now I just need to get the Legs I acctually wanted (of Agility) and Bracers with 1 less Stamina and 1 more Agility. Started lvling my Herbalism and Mining (went for those two in the end). Still not 100% if I will go coffer runs, mainly because I don't know if I need the items, I think I will have to use the 20 attack power necklase if I want to reach my goals of 3k hp or more, 700 ap or more and 18% crit or more. After all this is done I reckon I will move on to AGM, The World Explorer and For the Alliance (these are all mabyes). Btw anyone know which lvl 49 twink has the highest achievement points?Also decided to use Boomstick even tho the Thrown weapon has better GCD. This is mainly because I never really use ranged weapons much (I know lazy) and been farming loads of BRD bullets for the gun already.