Xp off Pops

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With the recent influx in 29 activity's i think its about time that we get some xp off ques going i know a few people have 29 horde toons i just some figures on how many would be keen to do some actually xp off games would be nice to see some actually games going other than scheduled wargames. Anyway if anyones interested Pm me or post here
 
I don't think that it is currently in the best interest of the bracket to start dividing our numbers.

With Wargames we have a scheduled day and are able to set up balanced teams rather than queuing and randomly getting who ever has the fastest loading screen. It would also cause some players to group queue with others because they wouldn't want to get stuck with some of the "less desirable".

Also with the bracket growing at such an accelerated rate it becomes quite fragile and some of the people who have taken control of the situation need to be left to do their jobs. I am glad that you are as excited about this bracket as you are, but I would ask with respect that you leave such duties to those that have seen the best and the worst as we have the understanding that can only comes from experience. Setting up arenas should be fine but I would ask that you leave WSG games up to Fird/Nasty/Jay and Myself.

As unfortunate as it may be: Not all activity is good activity.

Thanks,
- 29 Community
 
I don't think that it is currently in the best interest of the bracket to start dividing our numbers.

Because you, Nastay, Yowza, Pizza, and his crew aren't already dividing the bracket by treating people like shit?

Also with the bracket growing at such an accelerated rate it becomes quite fragile and some of the people who have taken control of the situation need to be left to do their jobs. I am glad that you are as excited about this bracket as you are, but I would ask with respect that you leave such duties to those that have seen the best and the worst as we have the understanding that can only comes from experience. Setting up arenas should be fine but I would ask that you leave WSG games up to Fird/Nasty/Jay and Myself.

As unfortunate as it may be: Not all activity is good activity.

Just to set the record straight, this bracket wouldn't exist right now if it weren't for the efforts of Daksa and Luplis in organizing and building a base for 29s on Ursin. You wouldn't have the ability to grab your friends and queue up with your shitty attitudes that cause people to quit the bracket when you jump on them like a pack of hyenas over silly little mistakes. What we envision for the bracket is a place for people to queue up and have a good time with friends, not this 'you must play perfectly or suffer the wrath of Derv and Co' environment you drag around with you like a dirty stuffy toy.

So why don't you leave big decisions like this up to the people who actually organize this bracket?
 
Because you, Nastay, Yowza, Pizza, and his crew aren't already dividing the bracket by treating people like shit?



Just to set the record straight, this bracket wouldn't exist right now if it weren't for the efforts of Daksa and Luplis in organizing and building a base for 29s on Ursin. You wouldn't have the ability to grab your friends and queue up with your shitty attitudes that cause people to quit the bracket when you jump on them like a pack of hyenas over silly little mistakes. What we envision for the bracket is a place for people to queue up and have a good time with friends, not this 'you must play perfectly or suffer the wrath of Derv and Co' environment you drag around with you like a dirty stuffy toy.

So why don't you leave big decisions like this up to the people who actually organize this bracket?

So you think 29s should be pushing for split factions to promote unstable pops and remove the luxury of being able to make teams even and do adjustments as the games progress? Or do you just like to argue with derv on anything he has an opinion on?
 
So you think 29s should be pushing for split factions to promote unstable pops and remove the luxury of being able to make teams even and do adjustments as the games progress? Or do you just like to argue with derv on anything he has an opinion on?

Not sure where you got any of this from. Your presence in our games is causing issues because you have terrible attitudes when it comes to games. We just want to have a good time with friends, some of which have decided not to play anymore because of they way you and your group treats them.
 
Not sure where you got any of this from. Your presence in our games is causing issues because you have terrible attitudes when it comes to games. We just want to have a good time with friends, some of which have decided not to play anymore because of they way you and your group treats them.

I got it from the OP this thread isn't about who's the leader of the bracket/pops so why you focused on that out of dervs whole wall was petty...

Op is wanting to push for horde 29s which would.... (refer to last post)
 
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I got it from the OP this thread isn't about who's the leader of the bracket/pops so why you focused on that out of dervs whole wall was petty...

Op is wanting to push for horde 29s which would.... (refer to last post)

There is nothing wrong with wanting horde 29s. Several of us already have them, with more people working on new ones as we speak. The possibility is definitely there for us to organize horde vs alliance wargames. I don't disagree with the organizational benefits of wargames instead of random BGs, but that's not what my response was about.

It was to point out the irony of Derv's post and his self professed 'leadership' of a bracket he had absolutely nothing to do with reviving. Things are already becoming divided and some of the players we really enjoy playing with are losing interest in the bracket because you and your crew focus on people faults instead of having a good time. Things would be fine if you guys knew how to just shut up and play, but that doesn't seem to be a possibility.
 
On topic of OP's suggestion: It may be possible, but it will make organization much more complex. It's a lot easier to form teams out of a big raid group than consider which skill/specs can be balanced HvA. It certainly be a mistake to push any newcomer to a dormant faction.

@ vvilly's thread detour: It would be easier to have that discussion in Skype. It's easier to misconstrue text than voice chat, which can lead to undue nastiness. But if you must make a permanent record of the growing pains we are sure to encounter, don't hijack a thread and flame Derv!
 
Because you, Nastay, Yowza, Pizza, and his crew aren't already dividing the bracket by treating people like shit?

Whether you believe it or not we have been discussing this issue heavily over the last week. Fird,Nasty, and myself have all come to the consensus that this is a problem, that it needs to be addressed, and that is going to require constant time and effort to remedy. Between the article and skype discussion these issues should all be put into light.


Just to set the record straight, this bracket wouldn't exist right now if it weren't for the efforts of Daksa and Luplis in organizing and building a base for 29s on Ursin. You wouldn't have the ability to grab your friends and queue up with your shitty attitudes that cause people to quit the bracket

I can see how my post may have seemed very ungrateful, and let me clarify as to why. In the article that is being released there is a shoutout/props given to Daks and Lup for building this foundation that we stand upon known as the 29 bracket. I did not mean to seem as if I was taking it for granted, all of whats been said this week has kind of mushed together and I see now how demeaning this seems. Honestly this wasn't my intention.

when you jump on them like a pack of hyenas over silly little mistakes.

This is one of the issues I hope we can get to in the Skype call tonight. There is a middle ground to be reached that I hope everyone will be okay with.

What we envision for the bracket is a place for people to queue up and have a good time with friends, not this 'you must play perfectly or suffer the wrath of Derv and Co' environment you drag around with you like a dirty stuffy toy.

I'm glad that you have a vision as to where you would like to take/see the bracket go, but unfortunately it doesn't look in the cards that is entirely what is going to happen. I honestly would like to find a mid ground because it would do those who have put so much work into the bracket so much injustice for the massive amount of time and effort (I can only imagine) they have put in.

Although I do not deny ever have this attitude, mine has changed over the last little while as things have been put in perspective with not having a bracket that you can constantly get queues for. It makes those game that we do that much more special and is the main reason as to why my previously unbudging elitist attitude has started to shift slightly to help benefit all. Neither side of this topic is going to get 100% their way, we need to come to an agreement and compromise.

When I said "Leave setting up WSG to..." I was merely saying that setting team balance should be left up to some of us who do not just take into account class balance but also personal skill(which is perfectly and extremely relevant). We make teams to try and make the best balance possible because at the end of the day, getting rolled or rolling becomes boring fast. As much as you wont believe me, we filter out (with our 3+ Council rule) anything but our unbiased objective opinions. It is in the best interest of everyone playing that the highest level of balance is achieved, we will have hiccups, but we also have the drive to move past them and make better decisions.

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At some point you are going to have to let the bird take flight. Be hopeful and confident that the values and lessons which have been instilled upon this metaphoric bird (the 29 bracket) will hold true and allow it to succeed and progress.

It is not going to do any good fending off persons who are willing to contribute in building something great upon the solid foundation that has been laid by Ursin. I know we have some bad blood but I hope that that will not get in the way of this brackets progression and growth. It has massive potential and I along with many others wish to take a better crack at it than we have in the past.

P.S. Putting "- The 29 Bracket" after my last post was wrong, I admit that. It was a short sight on my part and wasn't meant to be malicious or condescending in any way. My sincerest apologies.

- Derv
 
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Because you, Nastay,

Nastay and Derv are not a part of my 'crew' and we're not associated with them in any way. Don't associate their actions with us or our actions with them.

Pizza, and his crew aren't already dividing the bracket by treating people like shit?

Woah man.

My guildies/buddies, or as you call them my 'crew', and I came/returned to the 29 bracket to play in organized games and have a good time. We're not here to 'divide' the bracket, cause drama, or any problems for that matter. I understand where your hostile feelings and concerns surrounding us are coming from since we're notorious for dominating in the 19/24 brackets, but at least give us a chance before being negative towards us. We're not perfect. We're going to say things heat of the moment we don't mean, but, I can promise you we're not here to be disrespectful or make people feel like shit. That's the last thing we want to do.

My 'crew' so people know: Shlau (Dory), Flummaz, Minowaman, Zeiren, Solipsis (Agonist), Shortonheals, and Erpgoat (Barb), and soon-to-be Ko and Silin. That's 9 highly competitive and dedicated twinks who are here to increase the weekly numbers, and competitiveness and balance of games. There's a chance 2-3 more players from my 'crew' will be making 29s shortly.

Just to set the record straight, this bracket wouldn't exist right now if it weren't for the efforts of Daksa and Luplis in organizing and building a base for 29s on Ursin. You wouldn't have the ability to grab your friends and queue up with your shitty attitudes that cause people to quit the bracket when you jump on them like a pack of hyenas over silly little mistakes. What we envision for the bracket is a place for people to queue up and have a good time with friends, not this 'you must play perfectly or suffer the wrath of Derv and Co' environment you drag around with you like a dirty stuffy toy.

So why don't you leave big decisions like this up to the people who actually organize this bracket?

We admire and thank Daksa and Luplis for the work they put into forming the foundation for the 29 bracket as we know it. We hope to help them reach new levels of success within the bracket as we have the same vision of a bracket for people to queue up and have a good time with friends.


Edit: On topic - for now it would be best if we kept 29s to once a week and Alliance only.
 
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I think "goons" is a more appropriate word than "crew"
 
Come play 29s with us Sluggs
 
It’s funny the number of posts on the official forums that discuss class/spec team composition, as though that’s what’s “bleeding interest” from this bracket. No one seriously looks at the ‘comps’ of ‘leaders’ representing the face of 29s on the official forums, because that couldn’t possibly be what’s ‘bleeding interest’.

You can test it though. Make a second 29s bracket, with wargames for horde. Assuming the ‘attitudes’ stay alliance, then see which bracket thrives.

You’ll have an answer, then.
 

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