WT and Discrimination: My Story.

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Zeiren

Zeiren

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Out of all the members in Waw Tawent, I think I’ve endured the most discrimination, and most of you would probably agree. Over the course of time, I have faction changed quite a bit, joined multiple guilds and given false hope to the guilds that I was associated with. On my path to today, I have lost some great friends, gathered unsought hate, and lost the respect of many fellow community members.

My Story:

The Beginning

I created my 19 Shaman over 4 years ago in one of the most notorious Horde twink guilds in Bloodlust, The Chosen Few on Vek’nilash. I developed close relationships with many of the people in the guild, including Beastly, Incredabull, and others. I didn’t play my Shaman much at the time because I ran a 19 Alliance guild back on my home server,Kilrogg, on my Rogue Yournightmar (or as most knew me as, Kylaahna). My guild had a respectable amount of players, and was very active, but it wasn’t a very serious guild and it really wasn’t going anywhere in terms of progress towards premades and such. I decided to head over to Frostmourne and premade for Slash Spit. Sadly, l accidently leveled, but my rogue’s journey did not stop there. I headed to the 29 bracket to make a name for myself, and then later the 39s bracket. After leveling my rogue, my shaman became my main 19.

Anyways, let’s talk about my Shaman, Dasfizzla; after all, that is who I am known as in the bracket, currently. I played my Shaman every so often when I wasn’t playing 39s. When I played for The Chosen Few, it would always fall into inactivity due to absence of the more prevalent players in the guild. I honestly hated that, and it just drew me away from the guild.

masta ballerz

About a year or so ago, my friends from 39s had the idea of establishing an alliance 19 guild, called masta ballerz, to face the reputable guild Waw Tawent in a premade with the opportunity of defeating them. With this opportunity at hand, I faction changed and transferred immediately, without hesitation. My former guild mates weren’t happy about it at first, but when I told them what was planned, they were not as upset. In fact, they admired the idea of me joining a group of top-notch players united together to face Waw Tawent because of their dislike for Pizza and his guild.

The Fall of masta ballerz

Unfortunately, there was much conflict in getting a premade set in motion, and several people lost interest in the bracket quickly. They moved on to create twinks in the 29s bracket and later the 70s bracket. Having no desire to play 29s or 70s, and being stranded on Doomhammer queuing solo, I continued my journey to Bleeding Hollow.

Waw Tawent

I was very skeptical of joining at first, hearing all these rumors of Pizza and his guild. Waw Tawent was the only stable guild at the time (still is). It was extremely active and had people that always group queued daily. Those were attributes that I found very appealing. Several other of the masta ballerz crew transferred over for the same reason, activity. Can you blame us?
Now, when I joined WT, my guild mates from The Chosen Few basically severed all ties between us. I was later able to rekindle some of these relationships, but all respect was pretty much lost.

The Attempt at masta ballerz 2.0 (not to be confused with Saxx’s 3.0)

A good six months ago, several former MB members attempted to gather most of the masta ballerz crew for another strike against WT. Without using my brain, I faction changed with high hopes, but it did not pan out. Now stuck on Alliance side, I joined a new, upcoming guild named tRain cOw.

tRain cOw

Already designated as the A Team rogue for tRaincOw on my newly created Rogue, I joined the guild on my Shaman. Expecting masta ballerz 2.0 to work out, I notified TC’s leadership that I would be leaving soon. As time went on, soon turned to never. It wasn’t going to happen. In my time in tRain cOw, I did a few premades. My situation in this guild was very similar to mine in The Chosen Few. I built relationships and ended up tearing them apart by leaving. Joining on my Shaman was probably one of my most regrettable decisions at 19. When I left and returned to WawTawent, I received the normal 19 twink treatment and I was instantly hated by those who I had left. It was something I understood, but I wasn’t content with the situation. The only person that truly understood my actions was Discover. I was thankful that I could maintain our relationship, while the others have shown hatred towards me to this very day.

Conclusion

Throughout most of my career, it is quite clear that I searched for an active environment. A place that I could call home. A place with an active community. A group of players that I could get along with and group queue alongside. That is something that I looked for. When the opportunity to premade presented itself, I was all in. I was down to face Waw Tawent and to show them a good fight. Both times that I went off to Waw Tawent, I lost plenty of friends and lost the respect of many. I always went back to Waw Tawent because it provided a friendly and active surrounding. I am very content with where I am being in WT and no longer wish to move elsewhere. I’ve made great friends within the guild and enjoy being in the guild. I regret not having the ability to rekindle most of the relationships I’ve lost in joining WT, but if you choose to not be affiliated with me because of the guild I’m associated with, that is solely your choice.

Discrimination & GY Containment

When you think of the guild WawTawent, what come to your mind? GY Farmers. Am I right? Yep.

Do any other guilds GY farm? Yep.

Do I have proof? You bet ya.

Waw Tawent is not the only prominent guild that GY farms in this bracket. If it isn’t Waw Tawent GY farming, it’s a group of other people from alliance or horde Bleeding Hollow, or it’s Elune, or it’s just a group of people in a lesser known guild. .

Most everyone in Waw Tawent is pretty respectable. Many do not even GY farm. Some refuse to take part in it. The fact of the matter is, we all join up to win games. We want to have fun. We always consistently cap flags. If it is a bad game, we try our best to end it as fast as possible. If I’m on my Shaman, I’m always capping flags. If I’m on my Rogue, I’m always returning flags. Hell, Pizza is always capping flags – he does have the most flag caps of any 19 twink, after all.

It all comes down to this - everyone GY camps. You GY camp because you can. It’s a dog eat dog world out there. You’re going to either give it or take it.

Dasfizzla
 
Look, I have known Dasfizzla since he was a young tink, and have had the privilege to call him a friend. Das has had his highs and lows, as we all have, but he has been a straight shooter throughout his WoW playing experience. Here is a lone guy just trying to live the twinking life, play with his compatriots, rack up some honorable kills now and then, but he has become a victim of discrimination. Before I move on, I wish to tell you all a story of my early twinking days. I played in the 39s bracket, and we suffered through discrimination as well. First they came at the ungeared people, and I said nothing. Next, they came for the keyboard turners, and I still said nothing. After that, they came for the ability clickers, and I STILL said nothing. Then they came for me, and I had no one left to defend me. No, this is not an original story - it is paraphrased from a most heinous period in world history, the leadup to the Holocaust, when multiple minorities in Germany were being discriminated against. Let's face it, Das is a minority. I am a minority. We are all minorities in our own way, so when Das and I and the others are all shipped off, and the man comes and stares you in the eye, take a moment to think about the different, more responsible choices you could have made.
 
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Dasfizzla said:
Out of all the members in Waw Tawent, I think I’ve endured the most discrimination, and most of you would probably agree. Over the course of time, I have faction changed quite a bit, joined multiple guilds and given false hope to the guilds that I was associated with. On my path to today, I have lost some great friends, gathered unsought hate, and lost the respect of many fellow community members.

My Story:

The Beginning

I created my 19 Shaman over 4 years ago in one of the most notorious Horde twink guilds in Bloodlust, The Chosen Few on Vek’nilash. I developed close relationships with many of the people in the guild, including Beastly, Incredabull, and others. I didn’t play my Shaman much at the time because I ran a 19 Alliance guild back on my home server,Kilrogg, on my Rogue Yournightmar (or as most knew me as, Kylaahna). My guild had a respectable amount of players, and was very active, but it wasn’t a very serious guild and it really wasn’t going anywhere in terms of progress towards premades and such. I decided to head over to Frostmourne and premade for Slash Spit. Sadly, l accidently leveled, but my rogue’s journey did not stop there. I headed to the 29 bracket to make a name for myself, and then later the 39s bracket. After leveling my rogue, my shaman became my main 19.

Anyways, let’s talk about my Shaman, Dasfizzla; after all, that is who I am known as in the bracket, currently. I played my Shaman every so often when I wasn’t playing 39s. When I played for The Chosen Few, it would always fall into inactivity due to absence of the more prevalent players in the guild. I honestly hated that, and it just drew me away from the guild.

masta ballerz

About a year or so ago, my friends from 39s had the idea of establishing an alliance 19 guild, called masta ballerz, to face the reputable guild Waw Tawent in a premade with the opportunity of defeating them. With this opportunity at hand, I faction changed and transferred immediately, without hesitation. My former guild mates weren’t happy about it at first, but when I told them what was planned, they were not as upset. In fact, they admired the idea of me joining a group of top-notch players united together to face Waw Tawent because of their dislike for Pizza and his guild.

The Fall of masta ballerz

Unfortunately, there was much conflict in getting a premade set in motion, and several people lost interest in the bracket quickly. They moved on to create twinks in the 29s bracket and later the 70s bracket. Having no desire to play 29s or 70s, and being stranded on Doomhammer queuing solo, I continued my journey to Bleeding Hollow.

Waw Tawent

I was very skeptical of joining at first, hearing all these rumors of Pizza and his guild. Waw Tawent was the only stable guild at the time (still is). It was extremely active and had people that always group queued daily. Those were attributes that I found very appealing. Several other of the masta ballerz crew transferred over for the same reason, activity. Can you blame us?
Now, when I joined WT, my guild mates from The Chosen Few basically severed all ties between us. I was later able to rekindle some of these relationships, but all respect was pretty much lost.

The Attempt at masta ballerz 2.0 (not to be confused with Saxx’s 3.0)

A good six months ago, several former MB members attempted to gather most of the masta ballerz crew for another strike against WT. Without using my brain, I faction changed with high hopes, but it did not pan out. Now stuck on Alliance side, I joined a new, upcoming guild named tRain cOw.

tRain cOw

Already designated as the A Team rogue for tRaincOw on my newly created Rogue, I joined the guild on my Shaman. Expecting masta ballerz 2.0 to work out, I notified TC’s leadership that I would be leaving soon. As time went on, soon turned to never. It wasn’t going to happen. In my time in tRain cOw, I did a few premades. My situation in this guild was very similar to mine in The Chosen Few. I built relationships and ended up tearing them apart by leaving. Joining on my Shaman was probably one of my most regrettable decisions at 19. When I left and returned to WawTawent, I received the normal 19 twink treatment and I was instantly hated by those who I had left. It was something I understood, but I wasn’t content with the situation. The only person that truly understood my actions was Discover. I was thankful that I could maintain our relationship, while the others have shown hatred towards me to this very day.

Conclusion

Throughout most of my career, it is quite clear that I searched for an active environment. A place that I could call home. A place with an active community. A group of players that I could get along with and group queue alongside. That is something that I looked for. When the opportunity to premade presented itself, I was all in. I was down to face Waw Tawent and to show them a good fight. Both times that I went off to Waw Tawent, I lost plenty of friends and lost the respect of many. I always went back to Waw Tawent because it provided a friendly and active surrounding. I am very content with where I am being in WT and no longer wish to move elsewhere. I’ve made great friends within the guild and enjoy being in the guild. I regret not having the ability to rekindle most of the relationships I’ve lost in joining WT, but if you choose to not be affiliated with me because of the guild I’m associated with, that is solely your choice.

Discrimination & GY Containment

When you think of the guild WawTawent, what come to your mind? GY Farmers. Am I right? Yep.

Do any other guilds GY farm? Yep.

Do I have proof? You bet ya.

Waw Tawent is not the only prominent guild that GY farms in this bracket. If it isn’t Waw Tawent GY farming, it’s a group of other people from alliance or horde Bleeding Hollow, or it’s Elune, or it’s just a group of people in a lesser known guild. .

Most everyone in Waw Tawent is pretty respectable. Many do not even GY farm. Some refuse to take part in it. The fact of the matter is, we all join up to win games. We want to have fun. We always consistently cap flags. If it is a bad game, we try our best to end it as fast as possible. If I’m on my Shaman, I’m always capping flags. If I’m on my Rogue, I’m always returning flags. Hell, Pizza is always capping flags – he does have the most flag caps of any 19 twink, after all.

It all comes down to this - everyone GY camps. You GY camp because you can. It’s a dog eat dog world out there. You’re going to either give it or take it.

Dasfizzla
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Dude, its not about the fact on what you do. But the fact is your guild gy camps/hk farms more than any other guilds witch makes you in the spotlight. And people hate losing, so put two and two together and thats why your hated so much. There are other reasons but from what your talking about i will leave it at that.
 
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WT influences gy farming without a doubt due to WT being top for popularity in this community. A lot of the time other guilds put WT members on priority for farm if they que solo or small groups. Few members in WT have respect in this community, to many players come off humble but when the push comes to shove you're all pretty fake. Quit whining as long as your in WT you will be scum to the community. If it really bothers you that much which clearly it has make a change babe.

If you afk a player in a gulch you have your own reasons obviously, although if a select group of your guild was afk'd from a wsg I know the forums would be lit up. Where is the fine line here ahah? WT/Pizza hasn't lost because he has turned down previous premades, WT/Pizza hasn't lost because he afk's before a loss. I wouldn't put your guild on top because of your win over USA imo.

We all know pizza get's off on winning pugs/premades he can't lose and he's been like that since early BC. Nothing new nothing changed, if you're in the guild you're along for the ride doe.
 
If you cant see in a dark room turn on the light. If you cant handle the discrimination that comes with being in the most notorious guild in the bracket ATM then leave but don't bitch about it when you bring it upon yourself.
 
Beau said:
Let's just say that Waw Tawent will be as successful as Dorygoon trying to recruit Maineak back to their guild.



The amount of commas and words in this sentence is more interesting than what it says.
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The eye for a run on sentence.
 
Beau said:
Let's just say that Waw Tawent will be as successful as Dorygoon trying to recruit Maineak back to their guild.



The amount of commas and words in this sentence is more interesting than what it says.
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While I realize you need something to do while you have deserter, let's try to keep this on topic please ;p
 
Sorry Das, before I read all this shit I pictured you completely different. I would of said you were one of the more likeable WT members.

Your whole point is about GY farming is true, but what about this. How often do other guilds GY farm? How often does WT? Starting to get the picture?
When you say you got proof of other people farming, could I go out a limb here and say that in the SS, you would actually be on the team that is farming, not getting farmed?

Can you name one person that frequently play in the WT 5 man that refuses to GY farm?

"We want to have fun" - Thats right, people enjoy getting gy farming every game. such a silly goose.

Das, another note, people also hate WT dude to the fact that when the lose, they will swap to alliance and then farm horde.

If you ever played on alliance (against ur fellow farmers) and read bg chat, you would find that you are the most like out of them all.
 
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Beau said:
I don't faction hop to prevent losing a warsong gulch map like some people. Sorry! :(
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Now that you have twinks on both factions, we will have to see if this becomes an emerging habit. Baby steps, I say.
 
Beau said:
I don't faction hop to prevent losing a warsong gulch map like some people. Sorry! :(
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Hey Beau......have you planted another seed? Noodle Arms

Edit: Does sighduck still play?
 
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Zeiren I've always respected and looked up to you, ever since I first started playing against you on Blackout in the old Reckoning 29 days, and then later on in the 39 days as I trolled under Revival (same for you Dory, speaking of our 39 history). You've always been a top notch competitor, and I didn't know you had a presence in the 19 bracket before I came here. Seeing you go from the Zeiren that I knew from back in the day to the WT Dasfizzla of today and partaking in the way that Pizza chooses to run his guild was disappointing to me, I think that's why I raged at you the few times I have.

In my eyes you were always a goal-oriented, solid player who I wanted to learn from. Watching you partake in endless farming attempts, game after game while you all grind your "titles" was frustrating because you became a part of what is currently ruining this bracket (I'm sitting here typing this while in ghost form in a bg that you, Pizza and WT are playing on Alliance side because he's getting his farm fix). I still think you're a solid person and player, but I'm assuming Pizza puts undue pressure on you to participate in the way he runs his guild or face kicking. Judging by the way certain other members of your guild drop everything and heed his call (or text lol) like small puppies, I can only assume how he makes you participate.

There's no excuse for farming, it ruins games and you guys will continue to get games like the one you're in right now with 4 Horde players just sitting in graveyard. I'll chalk it up to peer pressure and maintain to myself that you're still a good player, just caught up with a sketchy guild leaving you with nowhere else to go for competitive players and a friendly community.
 
I know how it feels. Pretty much went through the same thing in LS except it's more...severe in your case. I still hold alot of respect for you considering you were one of the few people who helped me out and encouraged me on my path as a rogue tink. I and many others may dislike the GY farming you partake in, but in the end, kudos to you for being one of the few WT players that is not lost without Pizza as well as being a terrific shaman. The fact that you have Purj's respect says alot.

somp working a 36 hour shift
 
Zeiren <3. I know where your heart lies and its not in this bracket. That's what others will never understand. They wont get to see your real game play until they see you on the battlefield in 39s. It is always a pleasure to premade with and play along side you.

What I find funny is people thinking Pizza is this huge mastermind behind GY farming. Anytime I've ever been in vent with him and Q'd with them, Pizza is the last one to say anything about it. He's actually pretty chill to hang with in vent and a (*ducks*) decent Guy. People put too much emotion into a bunch of pixels. Go get some sun,enjoy real life. Stop worrying what some video game player named "Pizza" is doing.LOL
 
You catch ANYONE from Proxy farming, containing, camping or whatever in the Graveyard, let me know.
 
soskanky said:
What I find funny is people thinking Pizza is this huge mastermind behind GY farming. Anytime I've ever been in vent with him and Q'd with them, Pizza is the last one to say anything about it.
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We don't see Pizza as a master-mind GY farmer, we visualize him as the type of guy that creams after each KB.
 
I would say something about the tawent but as you all know, I was benched and sent to Goonville. Maybe one day I can muster up a decent background story that'll be worth a read or two. Good read though Das, it's never easy being under the spotlight and trust me, I know. If there was anything that I could add it would be "Life is a garden, dig it!".

Deuces.
 
Get GY farmed.

Not GY contained. Get GY farmed like partridge berries.
 
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