Bestworld
MBA
Again, depends on what's meant by "program themselves". The bot presented in this clip technically did "program itself" by playing itself over and over.
Again, depends on what's meant by "program themselves". The bot presented in this clip technically did "program itself" by playing itself over and over.
Selaya
Guest
im convinced that as long as computer are (completely) deterministic there cannot be a functional (independent) ai
OP
OP
Tom Ganks
Guest
What would convince you otherwise?
Selaya
Guest
fundamentally intelligence is about learning which is about synthesising new knowledge from existing ones which usually boils down to creativity
Bestworld
MBA
Learning doesn't necessarily come down to creativity. A lot of people are leaning "what to think". Not "how to think". And I blame society for that really. Well, the educational institutions at least.
What I think will be impossible to achieve from AI is consciousness. At least for the time being.
What I think will be impossible to achieve from AI is consciousness. At least for the time being.
Selaya
Guest
i wouldnt call that learning tho, tbh
OP
OP
Tom Ganks
Guest
'Learning' is a pretty basic concept. If someone told you what the capital of North Dakota was (and it was true), you learned just that.
As for creativity. The AI in the video is using that very thing to an arguable extent. Maybe in a different way than we do, but that's subjective. It tries something at random to see if it works (not always logical), until it finds something that works. If something proves to defeat this method later down the road, the ai is forced to change up its strategy or modify it until it gets the outcome it wants. The strategy to win isnt written out for it, it had to find that out on its own.
But I think the true test of creativity is to see whether or not it can interact with things in a creative way that is of no benifit to them. No external incentive to do so. It has to happen spontaneously.
By nature, our hard-wired motive is to survive (which is instinctive). So creativity for a necessity is easily mistaken with programming. But when we create art and music (which is of no practical benifit), you can chuck determinism out the window. So if an ai were to do something outside of its own benifit with no instruction to do so, I would find that as a sign of true AI.
As for consciousness, you can throw yourself in a loop for that topic. But I have a test I have come up with (though maybe someone else has, too). When you talk to a typical chat bot, it feels as though it's responding to you because it's programming is telling it to do so, with no possibility of ignoring you. Even if it says something like "*zips mouth closed*", it's still a response. So if I were to tell it to not respond to me, it would still respond. But in the case of an 'ai':
As for creativity. The AI in the video is using that very thing to an arguable extent. Maybe in a different way than we do, but that's subjective. It tries something at random to see if it works (not always logical), until it finds something that works. If something proves to defeat this method later down the road, the ai is forced to change up its strategy or modify it until it gets the outcome it wants. The strategy to win isnt written out for it, it had to find that out on its own.
But I think the true test of creativity is to see whether or not it can interact with things in a creative way that is of no benifit to them. No external incentive to do so. It has to happen spontaneously.
By nature, our hard-wired motive is to survive (which is instinctive). So creativity for a necessity is easily mistaken with programming. But when we create art and music (which is of no practical benifit), you can chuck determinism out the window. So if an ai were to do something outside of its own benifit with no instruction to do so, I would find that as a sign of true AI.
As for consciousness, you can throw yourself in a loop for that topic. But I have a test I have come up with (though maybe someone else has, too). When you talk to a typical chat bot, it feels as though it's responding to you because it's programming is telling it to do so, with no possibility of ignoring you. Even if it says something like "*zips mouth closed*", it's still a response. So if I were to tell it to not respond to me, it would still respond. But in the case of an 'ai':
Syrayeda
Legend
http://www.snopes.com/facebook-ai-developed-own-language/
on the topic of AI, https://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/artificial-intelligence-revolution-1.html, and click on part 2 too
Selaya
Guest
ok, let me rephrase it, learning a lot of random facts won't stop you from being retarded - intelligence is about synthesising new knowledge from existing one
i guess thats more specific than 'learning'
i guess thats more specific than 'learning'