Why Premade?

[Drayner]

My 32 cents... from a P2P perspective.

If the OP is asking why F2P players assemble premades, I think it's various reasons. I don't F2P so I can't really say for sure, but I can imagine that it has to do with having more of a shot to win. Not only can you put together a group that has the right comp to succeed in battle, you can build a synergy with those you play with. Getting 5 F2P players together that get used to working together, add voice communications and you have a much better chance to win vs. the other team. It won't matter if it's a group of F2Ps or P2Ps, they have a better shot at winning. Also throw in the fact that 5 F2Ps grouping up together means that you have 5 less players that are either undergeared, don't play objectively, can't communicate in ENGRISH, or just bad.

That's the positive side of it, but the negative side is that you'll have more faceroll games. Having more faceroll games isn't a bad thing though... just finish the other team off in 6-8 minutes and re-queue.

The reason, as a P2P, that I normally don't queue with other 24s is that I like the idea of trying to be a difference maker in a game. You see, I look at this bracket as the Vanilla/BC 19 bracket. In that time period, you had basically 2 types of players that queued for WSG... all into the same game. You had twinks and levelers. In those games, there could be a game where a team was getting their ass kicked where the winning team had a twink or two. You could get into that game and help turn the tables. That was fun for me. Coming into a game down 0-2 and helping to rally the team to a 3-2 win. This bracket is quite similar. The 24s are the "twinks" and the F2Ps are the levelers, albeit much better geared and skilled than the levelers of the vanilla/bc 19 bracket. It's not exactly the same, but it feel similar to me.

Sure, there are games where I queue on my 21 rogue or 24 priest and I can't make 1 bit of difference to change the outcome, but there are some that I am able to help turn the table.

Since I solo queue on my P2P toons, I know how to accept losing. I realize that I can't 1v10 a team and I accept that... but it won't stop me from coming out of stealth in a group of 6 ally toons to try to return the flag. If I have to do that, it's normally because a) our team is getting dominated and nobody else can make it to the EFC or b) our team is so stupid that they don't try. Either way, I am a tryhard and will try hard no matter how bad it makes me look. I don't care about losing if I can't help us any more than I can. I try.

I also prefer not to premade with 24s that GY camp. The reason I left last summer is because I had gotten into a culture of logging in and getting group invites from other 24s as I logged in. I found myself in a ton of boring games because of this. I got bored and moved on.

Anyhow. I don't see a single thing wrong with F2Ps group queuing. I think all F2Ps should form great groups with comps to succeed.

PS. I don't know why, but I tangent and went way off coarse here. I just start typing and shit keeps coming into my head.

 

[inoobupro]

Even so, im against gy farming, that's a sick way to have fun and entertain yourself imo.

what is the difference between containing the trash in mid or in gy.I mean you are already in a premade. Even if you did farm them, 90% of them wont care or too retarded.
Also containing wont let them get to your precious flag. I know that 99.9% of people here play to cap flags
if its you who wants to attach morality to it, make it evil, that's just...ridiculous. But believe what you want

 

[inoobupro]

so you just baited the trash team to pick it and then simply click on efc. You know the exact outcome why prolong their pain. Containign even ends the game quicker since it restricts those fools to the gy and they cant get out thus reducing the deaths of their own team it ends faster.

Ask yourself again what was the difference in killing him in mid or containing gy thus saving you the trouble?

If he was smart enough to understand there is no way he can win because hes(probably) getting 1-2 capped on already he would not even pick it up. But he did

 

[inoobupro]

so prolong the game for 15 minutes with those EFCS running around mid thus griefing their own team(which I personally find hilarious). Waiting for those idiots, (you don't even know what he will do next) instead of initiating the action, containing for 5 minutes and its over


I mean come on im using your logic here to ''end the game quicker''

 

[inoobupro]

because that's on average what it takes to 3 cap with EFCs running around everywhere

ok maybe 10 minutes sometimes, but that's still double the time it would take to contain.

 

[Sabzep]

I'll try to explain my reasoning:
1. Pug as a Mage
Mage is a fun class, but with pugs it's a pita to play with those retards that attack
my sheeps and those Prot pals that let me engage first.
2. Premade as a Mage
Now i'll have some teammates that can we can outplay the enemies with teamplay but it'll
only go so far with with all those FOTMs teams that stupidly burst through any teamplay and
healers only help so far when you'll go from 100 to 0 in the casttime of a heal. Or burst that's
just stronger than heals.
3. PuG as FOTM
My burst is now as stupid as the others but as a one man army there is only so much that I can do in a teamgame.
I already feel dirty when I blow up a poor clothie because I know that feeling and would have liked to
stop earlier, but I as everyone else am subject to the vicious cycle of an arms race. But it's also satisfying to own a 24.
I often stop there.
4. Premade with FOTMs
Now we get to a point where we can own pretty much anything but a full 24 premade.
**That's the line I won't cross and I'll just take a break and do something better with my time**
5. PuG as 24
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6. PuG as 24 FOTM
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7. Premade as 24s
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8. Premade as 24 FOTMs
...


The threshold of OP that someone holds sacred depends solely on ones personal opinion and it's silly
to expect everyone to have the same believes. The order is personal and someone might disagree.
Ghandi: “Be the change that you wish to see in the world.” This would be great but let's be realisic.
The world has bigger problems than shitty teenagers and retarded adults in a video game.
It's a game afterall and the only thing that counts is wether you enjoy yourself. If you don't: Quit.
Long story short what's fair depends on yourself and complaining about some elses opinion is futile.

 

[The Saint]

No I'm not happy, you completely stepped round the whole meaning of my post.

so I'll put it in plain text...

why is it ok for you to do exactly what you like, but not others?

[MENTION=2465]Achmed[/MENTION], can i get an answer please?

why is it ok for you to premade in a bracket where the majority don't have the option to group?

 

[The Saint]

Why they don't have the option to group? What's keeping them?


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on some severs f2ps don't have p2p help. by that logic... what's stopping them from paying and becoming more competitive?

again... how can you premade with 5+ experienced players, and A. expect the average to deal with it, and B. feel more righteous than a single 24?

your answer is already in this thread, for you to have fun, losing isn't an option...

 

[inoobupro]

I ask yourself(those that play), why play a fully enchanted p2p be it 20, 21, 24? I know why i did it in the past, i wonder why you do it specially now, with those silly enchants.

Why don't you make a char geared as f2p's are? I wonder.

And if this is Offtopic, let's create a topic to discuss this, i'm really curious about your reasons (ofc, if you're honest and not trolling as 80% of TI does).

Also, Achmed here is my last explanation why. For example I play a very underpowered class in 85s bracket, (an equivalent to 20 warlock) so essentially pay to get owned in 85. And people don't have a problem with that they focus me on sight..

would you really think people would have a problem playing an OP class wrecking noobs?

you must understand how 90% of wow player mindsets work.Here are two good explanations.

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have found out there isn't a definition of a flagger. So here is mine. It is a thing that only cares about -flag caps, and it thinks Warsong Gulch isn't made for pvp. I agree it is a CTF game-but capturing the flag should be a secondary objective.

-The flagger is person who will annoyingly spam the chat in caps about ''FLAG IN MID'' or ASSIST when we all have two eyes and can see whats going on.

-The flagger is also very unpredictable, only comparable to the criminals in an insane asylum one thing it is trying to cap the flag and next thing you know it is spamming emotes and trying to farm you in the gy or having picnics..Again that also makes it dangerous-it would be amazing if we could read a flaggers mind.

-The flagger will ruin games for the good natured and nice people. It only cares about flag caps. It rolls the most overpowered specs/class/character. It's brain has not developed enough to understand what is being nice, not farming, etc.

-The flagger isn't your typical human being. Like a child -It can't be reasoned with, nor bargained.


If the battlegrounds had no pvp in it and mindless back and forth flag capping-none of you flaggers would ever que or try battlegrounds.
There is a reason why you flaggers hold wargames-to test your ''skills'' against other players. Because of the pvp

here is 1 more

what if you want to win?



what if you want to play the strongest class in the level bracket, because you want to win?



what if you want to make the easiest twink to put together at 19 and still own?



what if you suck at world of warcraft but still want to own people?



what if you enjoy not dying and doing more damage than everyone else at the same time?



do you realize that 99.9% of world of warcraft players fall into one of the above categories? i could list a dozen more rhetorical questions on top of those just to drive the point home even more painfully. do you walk around in public with a bag over your head because you refuse to address reality?

,.

I hope I didn't derail this thread too much, and there is nothing wrong with winning at all, this is just how wow and its playerbase works

 

[The Saint]

We on Spine premaded on a daily basis by simu-queueing only by using f2q addon and some timer macro. No p2p help at all.

That's why i've asked why others can't do it.


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and the hundreds, and hundreds of players that are not on active f2p severs, how about them? they should re-roll so you can feel better about your premades?

and AGAIN... why is it ok for you to do as you like, but not p2ps?

 

[The Saint]

1. Sorry it's not my fault sky is blue, really. WE even managed to simu-queue between two different realms. They're lazy to do it? Their problem then, not mine.
2. Because, as you've said, for me losing isnt an option and because i'm a F2P and without us, F2P's you won't have a bracket to show off how special you are with those big-bad-wold enchants and with "omg l2pnoob i kill in one shot". That's why.

you're so silly... none of this is your fault. but it's mine you/they choose not to max out their characters? you don't have to premade, like i don't have to enchant, simple really.

if it wasn't for the hundreds of "lazy" people who don't premade, you think they'd be a bracket either? it's not spinebreaker, agg, or tn that keeps this bracket active... it's the people your premades feel spacial demoralizing.

like you said though, their problem, not mine. i feel the same about you try hards.

have i nice night.

EDIT: had to pop this one in...

enjoy a battleground for what it is(f2p's)

there is no f2p bracket, there's the 20-24 bracket that f2p happen to be allowed in .

 

[Mesikämmen]

It's already known that some play to "wreck noobs" and feed their poor ego by doing it(p2p's), and others play to actually enjoy a battleground for what it is(f2p's).

I have this crazy idea... Maybe some people play games to have fun, maybe not everyone plays just for the feel of needing to feed their ego

there is no f2p bracket, there's the 20-24 bracket that f2p happen to be allowed in .

also qft

 

[Revlo]

This is always going to be a tough one. The bracket we play in is such a mish mash of different types of players. Some true beginners, some good players trying to do their best, some OP 24s having fun roflstomping. Until recently I was very alone on Ursin. As most everyone knows, Ursin has had tightly-knit group of friends start playing there doing premades. I’ve run with these guys a couple of times and it has been loads of fun. They are nice guys, have fun in Skype, try to win and not farm. I’ve learned a lot from them. The couple of games I’ve queued with them, we played against 5 or 6 24s, and it was a breath of fresh air when we won. Lots of fun all around.

That being said…. not every opposing team has many, if any, 24s. I remember the days in Cata when 10 man AP premades were going on. Man, those games were miserable for a lone player. I understand their fun in doing that then, with the hunter madness that was going on; however, it was still no fun on the receiving end.

In the end, the bracket isn’t one type of game, it’s a mixed bag. I understand premading against 24s, but I’m afraid constant premades might force players to find people to run with, just to be able to keep up. That’s not good either. Some people probably don’t want to have to only queue with others. I really like the idea of the scheduled premading nights. That gives opportunity for some really top-notch competition, games, and loads of fun. I think certain types of premading are fine and great, but we need to keep in mind the negative effects it can have and try to keep it under control.

Also, premading isn’t necessarily the most fun you can have. One of the highlights of battlegrounding for me happened in a non-premade. It was a great team which included Lil iirc and we solidly beat Duo and his premade. Man, what a game.

 

[Mesikämmen]

Yeah, you're the perfect example of this

Correct, having fun is what the idea of playing games is after all

There was no 20-24 bracket till Starter Accounts launch? Or i'm crazy?

Correct, it used to be 20-29 bracket back in the days. Idk if you've heard about it though

 

[The Saint]

If there was no F2P, would you that play 24's have a playground to expose your egos?
Who said it's agg, spine or tn that keeps this bracket active? The whole f2p community keeps it active. Now, our premades are demoralising ppl? What about those 24's one-shotting ppl alone or with their "gy/mid containing" premades do what exactly? Bring peace to the world?

Let's say yes, we are demoralising people. But, if i were on the oposing side i'd gladly play against a F2P premade vs a 24 one. Why? You figure that out.

but i'm not part of those 24s, but you are in fact part of those f2p premades, yes or no?

Yeah, you're the perfect example of this )

i play for the same reasons as mesi, just because you don't like my awful habit of telling the truth doesn't make it any less truthful.

There was no 20-24 bracket till Starter Accounts launch? Or i'm crazy?

yep, just not a locked xp one.

 

[The Saint]

Why? because you say it on some forums? With all the hypocrisy and lies around i don't believe a word you're saying, you, or your friends crew, you know who you are. You just say what it suits you best, you and your crew and after, you applaud each other

go ask goesid.

Now you're the silly one Don't tell me, you actually played your 24's in that "not xp locked one", right?

not my point, my point was there's always been wow pvp brackets, with or with out f2p. they wouldn't be f2p without p2p though...

i'm tired of running in circles with you mate. give me a reason my faceroll is worse than yours. a VALID one!

 

[Mesikämmen]

Then why so mad of me killing killing you over and over?

Why running with priest heal-bot as hunter?

Not your ego to get hurt, huh?
))

I've never been mad of getting killed in a bg over and over, it's a game of killing people, getting killed and completing objectives. Don't see a reason to get upset over something that is bound to happen in a game

Why play hunter? Because it's a really fun and diverse class. Well, at least was for the first couple patches of MoP till it got to the point when anyone can just smash face on keyboard and go 30-0.

You should relax sometimes, no need to go apeshit everytime you have a chat with me qt

EDIT: Oh sorry you asked why run with healbot and not why you play hunt. Well, Azol is a hell of a guy who I really enjoy playing games with, and his favourite f2p twink happened to be priest.

 

[The Saint]

Can you please stop, just stop it, really.....

you're right, your argument is going nowhere.

 

[Tyramissoux]

How the hell did this troll thread grow so fast to page 10? Seems there's a lot of anger in this bracket.

 

[The Saint]

I like the way you pose in victim or saint on the forums
Keep it up.



Indeed cuz your stubborn as a mule. No offence intended.

why is my face roll worse than yours? you think your opponent says "dem good 'ol boyz from spine rape us genitally". get real my friend.

+5man premade > one 24. you know it and i know it.