Where'd the LOL Wingblade thing come from?

Theme said:
Doesnt give less parry tbh.



Are you talking about AB? Unless strength gives parry WB is better no matter how you look at it.
 
Underseer said:
edit: Böne ->





1. I understand how proc enchants do more damage on slow weapons when jousting, but surely not without jousting?



2. I'm confused, how does a faster offhand automatically do more dps?

1. They do the same with jousting or with theorically but when you joust you pull away from the enemy (obviously) and regain energy which lets you do more SS's and therefore have a higher chance to proc for longer. And if you're wondering then yes if you're standing right next to them when you're waiting for your swing timer then yeah you're regaining energy but you're also taking thier dmg and you won't last as long and therefore not put out as much dmg.



2. Your mainhand can't swing until your offhand has swung.
 
WSG said:
If you are, ahem, "on the nutsack" of your opponent, then speed of the OH has absolutely no bearing on your damage. 15.7 DPS > 14.4 DPS.
Your mainhand can not swing until your offhand has swung.



WSG said:
Their are no specials based on OH weapons, so speed doesn't help proc enchants either.
When I first made my rogue I thought the same thing but when you're actually fighting (jousting) slower weapons proc a lot more even when it's in the offhand. (not sure why though) you'll have to make a rogue and try it to believe me.
 
Böne said:
1. They do the same with jousting or with theorically but when you joust you pull away from the enemy (obviously) and regain energy which lets you do more SS's and therefore have a higher chance to proc for longer. And if you're wondering then yes if you're standing right next to them when you're waiting for your swing timer then yeah you're regaining energy but you're also taking thier dmg and you won't last as long and therefore not put out as much dmg.



2. Your mainhand can't swing until your offhand has swung.




They are on seperate timers afaik. Where did you get this information?



If you joust WB is better because it's slower. I don't understand what you're trying to say here.
 
iaccidentallytwink said:
They are on seperate timers afaik. Where did you get this information?



I've played an 80 rogue and 19 rogue... everyone has always said that and that is what I've always known. I guess it could be wrong but I really doubt it.

iaccidentallytwink said:
If you joust WB is better because it's slower. I don't understand what you're trying to say here.



CB is slower than WB
 
Xäo said:
Bone, what's up with your armory? It's like a time machine..



That a bad thing?
 
Xäo said:
Bone, what's up with your armory? It's like a time machine..





I retired my rogue pre-3.1



I like to see those stats... thats also why I retired him in AP gear. I had 2611 hp/40% crit/ 240 ap in balance gear. But that doesn't look as cool stat wise imo
 
Böne said:
I've played an 80 rogue and 19 rogue... everyone has always said that and that is what I've always known. I guess it could be wrong but I really doubt it.





CB is slower than WB



[ITEM]Cruel Barb[/ITEM] vs [ITEM]Wingblade[/ITEM]



12 AP vs 5 Agility 2 Stamina

2.8 vs 2.2

15.5 vs 15.7



For Jousting Cruel Barb is perfect. You're sacrificing 1 stat and 0.2 DPS for Jousting. Now that I look at it, CB is perfect for Jousting because it matches with [ITEM]Shadowfang[/ITEM] within 0.1 speed. However, I can't see Jousting being very effective here. What prevents your opponent from running after you while you're jousting? He can do the same and you'll never catch him. If it's another rogue you're evenly matched. If it's any other class then there's nothing stopping them from Slowing CC'ing you, maybe Priests because their Scream has a long CD but how effective is jousting at 19? I've never actually tried it myself at 19.
 
iaccidentallytwink said:
[ITEM]Cruel Barb[/ITEM] vs [ITEM]Wingblade[/ITEM]



12 AP vs 5 Agility 2 Stamina

2.8 vs 2.2

15.5 vs 15.7



For Jousting Cruel Barb is perfect. You're sacrificing 1 stat and 0.2 DPS for Jousting. Now that I look at it, CB is perfect for Jousting because it matches with [ITEM]Shadowfang[/ITEM] within 0.1 speed. However, I can't see Jousting being very effective here. What prevents your opponent from running after you while you're jousting? He can do the same and you'll never catch him. If it's another rogue you're evenly matched. If it's any other class then there's nothing stopping them from Slowing CC'ing you, maybe Priests because their Scream has a long CD but how effective is jousting at 19? I've never actually tried it myself at 19.



Your movement does, ground juke some1 its not hard. But I do see your point and that is why generally the better rogues pug wsg with thief's with 15 agility offhand. I think I said that earlier as well.
 
Xäo said:
Not really good or bad, It's just odd.



I've never seen Scouting Shoulders in an armory profile before.



Been around a while?



did you miss the naxx enchant on them? lol :D
 
Are you talking about AB? Unless strength gives parry WB is better no matter how you look at it.



No. I dont see how Wingblade or any other blade for that matter would give more parry than AB as I am in belief that nether weapons nor stats affect your parry, unless your a dk.
 
Böne said:
I retired my rogue pre-3.1



I like to see those stats... thats also why I retired him in AP gear. I had 2611 hp/40% crit/ 240 ap in balance gear. But that doesn't look as cool stat wise imo



Better take a bunch of Screenshots because it's going to go down in 3 months unless you login again and lose the stats.
 
Böne said:
Your movement does, ground juke some1 its not hard. But I do see your point and that is why generally the better rogues pug wsg with thief's with 15 agility offhand. I think I said that earlier as well.



What's this now?



Böne said:
go get beat by some rogue on PTR again



That was pretty unnecessary and unrelated. He's telling us he's going to improve his gear and you tell him to gtfo?
 
Böne said:
When I first made my rogue I thought the same thing but when you're actually fighting (jousting) slower weapons proc a lot more even when it's in the offhand. (not sure why though) you'll have to make a rogue and try it to believe me.



I have a rogue.



The reason you are seeing more procs is because you are jousting and not using every possible swing of your offhand.



Wingblade OH (2.2 second swing) with Fiery (6 ppm) = 22% chance to proc.

Cruel Barb OH (2.8 second swing) with Fiery (6 ppm) = 28% chance to proc.



When jousting, you are not actually swinging the Wingblade every 2.2 seconds. In fact, you are probably getting just as many offhand swings as when you use CB since you won't go in for another "joust" until your Mainhand is ready to swing again. Thus, you end up with the same amount of swings, but a higher chance to proc.



However, my comments were made to dispute your arguement that Thief's Blade will give more DPS than Wingblade when your proximity to the nutsack is high because it is faster. Now you are arguing slow is better. Thanks.



Again, someone replied that they would take CB over WB, yet their armory shows them using TB. This is contradictory.



I can accept that some people think CB is better than WB. As I said earlier, it depends a lot on build and playstyle and there isn't really a wrong answer between those two.



Thief's Blade is wrong. Always.
 

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