Where'd the LOL Wingblade thing come from?
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Restoshaman
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for a rogue, there are better options for the offhand, than a wingblade. theres nothing wrong with it, But having other superior options and not using them would be why people make fun of it.
It can be for instance be put to greater use, on a paladin with + 30 sp on it rather than as a solid offhand choice for a rogue.
It can be for instance be put to greater use, on a paladin with + 30 sp on it rather than as a solid offhand choice for a rogue.
WSG
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[ITEM]Wingblade[/ITEM] was a MH-only weapon with a 2.2 second swing. You would do much better damage with [ITEM]Shadowfang[/ITEM], [ITEM]Stinging Viper[/ITEM], [ITEM]Cruel Barb[/ITEM], or even [ITEM]Skeletal Club[/ITEM] from the AH (for the people without money or xp to spare). LOL @ Wingblade!
Wait...times changed, Wingblade was changed from Main Hand to One Hand.
But, Wingblade with a 2.2 second swing was too slow. It's stats aren't that much better than [ITEM]Thief's Blade[/ITEM], [ITEM]Assassin's Blade[/ITEM] or [ITEM]Sentinel's Blade[/ITEM] from the honor vendor (for people without money or xp to spare). You need spell pushback, baby! LOL @ Wingblade.
Wait...times changed again, spell pushback was capped and speed of your OH no longer mattered.
Now, Wingblade offers as many stats as another weapon and the second most DPS behind Shadowfang. Wingblade certainly deserves to be in the debate for best offhand. Shadowfang will probably beat it, but when getting one SF is hard enough for most twinks, figuring our 2nd BiS becomes very relevent.
tl;dr version: some people are just living in the past.
Edit:
Name them please. Exclude Shadowfang. I'll concede that one of the top 5 most difficult to obtain items in the game is better.
Wait...times changed, Wingblade was changed from Main Hand to One Hand.
But, Wingblade with a 2.2 second swing was too slow. It's stats aren't that much better than [ITEM]Thief's Blade[/ITEM], [ITEM]Assassin's Blade[/ITEM] or [ITEM]Sentinel's Blade[/ITEM] from the honor vendor (for people without money or xp to spare). You need spell pushback, baby! LOL @ Wingblade.
Wait...times changed again, spell pushback was capped and speed of your OH no longer mattered.
Now, Wingblade offers as many stats as another weapon and the second most DPS behind Shadowfang. Wingblade certainly deserves to be in the debate for best offhand. Shadowfang will probably beat it, but when getting one SF is hard enough for most twinks, figuring our 2nd BiS becomes very relevent.
tl;dr version: some people are just living in the past.
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Restoshaman said:
Name them please. Exclude Shadowfang. I'll concede that one of the top 5 most difficult to obtain items in the game is better.
Doyoulikedot
OG
Xäo said:
Not at all mate
InsomnÃac
OG
Whatever floats your boat man.
WSG
OG
I should note that someone could easily argue [item]Cruel Barb[/item] over the [item]Wingblade[/item].
The .2 offhand DPS and .5% crit from agility is going to be outdone by the extra 7 AP you get from the CB. But you lose some defensive capability (dodge, armor, stam).
A lot depends on play style and build, though.
The CB is going to be better if you are watching a MH swing timer for jousting. A lot of the DPS of WB would be lost as you stay out of melee until your MH is ready to swing again.
If you are built around the 4 garrote talent points and the [item]Glyph of Garrote[/item], the CB will get even better as the crit from WB's agility doesn't help your best attack. On the other hand, a build with 2/2 Imp Sinister Strike and [item]Glyph of Sinister Strike[/item] would narrow the gap between the offensive capabilities of the two swords as the crit would now gain value.
I don't think either one is really the wrong answer, which is why I said WB at least deserves to be in the debate when it comes to talking about best off hand.
The .2 offhand DPS and .5% crit from agility is going to be outdone by the extra 7 AP you get from the CB. But you lose some defensive capability (dodge, armor, stam).
A lot depends on play style and build, though.
The CB is going to be better if you are watching a MH swing timer for jousting. A lot of the DPS of WB would be lost as you stay out of melee until your MH is ready to swing again.
If you are built around the 4 garrote talent points and the [item]Glyph of Garrote[/item], the CB will get even better as the crit from WB's agility doesn't help your best attack. On the other hand, a build with 2/2 Imp Sinister Strike and [item]Glyph of Sinister Strike[/item] would narrow the gap between the offensive capabilities of the two swords as the crit would now gain value.
I don't think either one is really the wrong answer, which is why I said WB at least deserves to be in the debate when it comes to talking about best off hand.
i still say assassins blade is a better offhand.
its fast, wasn't it faster weapon better in off hand due to the fact they can swing for damage more often and thus reduce the damage reduction of the off hand ?
it has 4 agility... cool for a rogue, and 3 strenght still cool for a rogue. meaning its an easy 7 AP and it nets you more parry and dodge all together, + more crit. wingblade is still cool though its a nice weapon. i thought shadowfang had been nerfed back then and had gone down to 15 dps like most weapons, but it seems i was wrong.
its fast, wasn't it faster weapon better in off hand due to the fact they can swing for damage more often and thus reduce the damage reduction of the off hand ?
it has 4 agility... cool for a rogue, and 3 strenght still cool for a rogue. meaning its an easy 7 AP and it nets you more parry and dodge all together, + more crit. wingblade is still cool though its a nice weapon. i thought shadowfang had been nerfed back then and had gone down to 15 dps like most weapons, but it seems i was wrong.
Bone
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WSG said:
I'll answer for him. I'll assume he knows what he's doing though so... I didn't look at his armory. If he has thiefsblade in his offhand then he probably has +15 agility on it and is wsg'ing or 1v1'ng a rogue.
Wingblade in my opinion is not better at all. If you're going for stats and you're a rogue then choose thief's and put 15 agility on it. If you're looking for joust dmg then that means you'll probably have a proc type enchant on your weps because they're slow and proc type enchants do a lot of dmg on slow weapons (especially when jousting.) AND if you're going to joust with slow weapons with proc type enchants on them why would you choose a .6 slower weapon (not sure about the speed difference but I'm almost positive but still too lazy to look.)
Wingblade is stuck between 2 fighting styles, speed wise, if you're fighting with stats then you want to be ON the nut sack of whoever you're attacking and by doing this you want a faster offhand for max mainhand/offhand dps output. And for jousting you're looking at a slow mainhand slow offhand combo with proc enchants... wingblade is not good for either because of the 2.2 speed compared to 1.7 (thiefs) and 2.8 (CB).
again lolwingblade.
Underseer
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ArthurianKnight said:
No. The offhand damage is reduced to half either way.
A faster offhand is bad for jousting (and burst), good for pushbacks. And out of those two, jousting is probably the bigger factor since pushbacks cap pretty fast, making slower offhands in fact better.
I'm looking at 1 agi 2 sta (wingblade) against 3 strength (assassin's blade). You aren't really choosing strength over agi/stamina are you? Not to mention the wingblade does more dps.
edit: Böne ->
1. I understand how proc enchants do more damage on slow weapons when jousting, but surely not without jousting?
2. I'm confused, how does a faster offhand automatically do more dps?
iaccidentallytwink
Guild Master
ArthurianKnight said:
Is this a joke? You're implying AB is "cool" and that's why you're using it?
You gain 2 AP lose 1 Agi 2 Stam and .3 DPS. Speed is irrelevant post-3.0.1. It gives less parry, dodge and crit then WB.
WSG
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Böne said:
If you are, ahem, "on the nutsack" of your opponent, then speed of the OH has absolutely no bearing on your damage. 15.7 DPS > 14.4 DPS. Their are no specials based on OH weapons, so speed doesn't help proc enchants either.
2 Agility will not make up for 1.3 OH DPS and 2 Stam. Either offensively or defensively. Thief's Blade is just a poorman's Wingblade. And if he prefers Thief's over CB, why would he prefer CB over WB?
iaccidentallytwink
Guild Master
WSG said:
Because he thinks it looks cool or is yet to realize it's terrible.