Where are the noobs?

Pookamhura

Pookamhura

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It would seem WoW really has a problem with attracting new players. I get that the F2P Baby Twinks have given up on this game because all it takes is two Daddy Twinks on the other side to completely devastate the BG, but if WoW was a growing thriving game there should be a constant influx of noobs using the trial account to actually try the game out. Yet we still have 5+ hour queues in the noob bracket. Blizzard really should be doing something to encourage people to try out the game. Noobs on trial getting slammed by F2P Baby Twinks is one thing. Noobs expect to get pounded by experienced players, but when a noob wants to just try the game out and they're waiting over an hour for a dungeon queue and over 5 hours for a PvP queue all that does is tell the noob that WoW is a dead MMO trying to slide into franchise maintenance mode.

Five-plus hour queues for a random BG is not a good look on Blizzard. Outright lying about the average queue time isn't going to cover this fact up. Putting F2Ps in the same queues as XP Off has just revealed that the Levelers we used to queue with were predominantly established players leveling an Alt and not new players coming to the game.
 
It is hard to see what their game plan is with Trials. They seem to be going out of their way to make it a miserable experience. Maybe they think they can move Vets / F2P’s to sub up, but it’s at the expense of new players. Why would they want to pay for a game when u hardly get PvP and when u do it’s a $hitshow.

I think they really need to look at their Trial experience / level. If they don’t show any real interest in fixing low level scaling / profs, they really need to lift the Trial level to where things are a little better.

Anyhow, they obviously know what they r doing…… :KEKW:
 
It is hard to see what their game plan is with Trials
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Their plan seems to be to discredit the entire idea of trial accounts. Nearly every modern MMO is free-to-play up until current expansion. As near as I can tell Blizzard hates the idea of anyone being able to enjoy the game at all for free.

"This is "WORLD OF WARCRAFT", we're not like every other MMO. Free-to-play is for lesser MMOs, not world wide recognized franchises like WoW. Did you know we're such a big deal that South Park did an entire episode on us? Pay up or GTFO you scrubs."

It's like their entire marketing department still thinks it's 2008 and would rather see the company burn to the ground than adapt to the way modern gamers play MMOs. They're the very definition of "penny smart, pound foolish". Instead of creating an enjoyable F2P experience just to keep people interested in WoW as a franchise they're doubling down on the Hipster cred they believe they still have as the OG MMO. Instead of getting eyeballs on their franchise, spending money on cosmetics in their cash shop, buying real-world WoW Merch and consuming official WoW centric media they want to maintain the fantasy that they're the only game in the MMO business worth paying for. If you haven't decided in the first 20 minutes that you want to hand over your cash to Blizzard for the game then they just want you gone. They don't want you to stick around and maybe over time become convinced it's something you'd like to trade real world cash for.

"This is WoW, it's the BEST GAME EVER. If you're too stupid to realize we deserve your money just for being WoW then go fuck yourself and play some other inferior game."

The one thing that is obviously clear is nobody at Blizzard has ever spent any amount of time playing on a Trial Account while trying to put themselves into the mind of a noob wanting to experience what WoW has to offer before shelling out the cash. And they wonder why, even with WotLK Classic being a thing they still can't get the number of eyeballs on their game that they had when WotLK was new. Their strategy, if you can even call it that, is laughably outdated.

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retail imo is dead, that's why blizz was so fast to move on, pre-leaking a hint of a expac announcement pre-blizzcon, then at Blizzcon announcing not only the next expac but the following two expacs. based on past cycles it seems like the always waited over 1.5+ years before hinting or announcing the next expac name. never 20 days short of 1 year like now.

there are 5 versions of official WOW rolling right now. too many directions and not counting private servers, can't really play 5 versions, WOW is self cannibalizing, MSFT/ATVI looks at it from a money bigger picture, if retail has declined to...let's say 2 mil subs but with 4 other versions you now have 6-7mil subs combined, they see it as a win. HC WOW is now the big bing bing wahoo right now.

after this last patch blizz seems to have improved sharding/layering slightly, imo maybe too late. most new to WOW players who start f2p or paid are forced cycled to start BFA will still not see many players due to TW and players scattered thru 18 years of content. new to WOW F2Ps will imo feel the game is dead, imo those new to WOW F2Ps that may wander into PVP will not what to build and stay in bracket. alot of built F2Ps had a tolerable power gap vs Vet20s but vs 29's...no chance

as for daddy twinks...29s they have a history of ganking themselves. in WOTLK even after coordinated migrations to certain battle groups to get games. they killed the bracket rolling too many hunters. then blizzard merged all battle groups, after some initial agreements to limit the class. some again killed the bracket. revivals were all short lived. they got lucky in CATA with F2P for awhile but once blizz did the separation 20-24 25-29 they had no games. they returned in Legion somewhat with the recombined 20-29 due to the blizzard percieved fairness of PVP templates, 29's could play at the start of BFA and SL until XPon/off was separated due to complaints, in DF 29's used alts on WOW forums to highlight how Vet20's and F2Ps should be XP off and blizzard made the change. the power differential is too vast, not just gear whether blue or epic is+25 i-lvls higher than any 20 after smoothing, but due more to the talent trees and abilities that are even more drastic from 21-29 than 20s was in CATA.
 
noob thread detected.
 
chelly said:
@Pookamhura, this thread belongs on blizz forums, not xpoff. Be the change!
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Oh it would most definitely have been there if, you know, Blizzard would let F2Ps engage with the WoW community and post on their forums. That said, I give full permission for subscribed players to go ahead and repost my missive to any WoW related forums they wish to.
 
poolclosed said:
F2P is dumb anyways. Make a real twink.
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What would be the point? There are only a handful of of Horde Daddy Twinks playing this bracket anymore. Me being 29 xp-off wouldn't do anything to fix the 5+ hour queue times. If I was going to pay for this hot mess I'd just stick to the land of Endgame.
 
Pookamhura said:
Oh it would most definitely have been there if, you know, Blizzard would let F2Ps engage with the WoW community and post on their forums. That said, I give full permission for subscribed players to go ahead and repost my missive to any WoW related forums they wish to.
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Oh right. Forgot about that lol
 
poolclosed said:
F2P is dumb anyways. Make a real twink.
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I speak only for myself here, but i rather jump headfirst inside a shark tank than give a single dime to Blizzard to play their mediocre-ass game.

Long gone are the days where the only MMO worth spending time was WoW. Paying money to play a bracket no one else plays and pretending i'm having fun when i'm not is insanity to me. Specially considering that of all the MMOs i've played, only the WoW dev team insists in not at least trying to balance the shitshow that is their below-cap PvP ( not that at-cap PvP is any better but...eh ).
 
Noob checking in.
 
shanker said:
retail imo is dead, that's why blizz was so fast to move on, pre-leaking a hint of a expac announcement pre-blizzcon, then at Blizzcon announcing not only the next expac but the following two expacs. based on past cycles it seems like the always waited over 1.5+ years before hinting or announcing the next expac name. never 20 days short of 1 year like now.

there are 5 versions of official WOW rolling right now. too many directions and not counting private servers, can't really play 5 versions, WOW is self cannibalizing, MSFT/ATVI looks at it from a money bigger picture, if retail has declined to...let's say 2 mil subs but with 4 other versions you now have 6-7mil subs combined, they see it as a win. HC WOW is now the big bing bing wahoo right now.

after this last patch blizz seems to have improved sharding/layering slightly, imo maybe too late. most new to WOW players who start f2p or paid are forced cycled to start BFA will still not see many players due to TW and players scattered thru 18 years of content. new to WOW F2Ps will imo feel the game is dead, imo those new to WOW F2Ps that may wander into PVP will not what to build and stay in bracket. alot of built F2Ps had a tolerable power gap vs Vet20s but vs 29's...no chance

as for daddy twinks...29s they have a history of ganking themselves. in WOTLK even after coordinated migrations to certain battle groups to get games. they killed the bracket rolling too many hunters. then blizzard merged all battle groups, after some initial agreements to limit the class. some again killed the bracket. revivals were all short lived. they got lucky in CATA with F2P for awhile but once blizz did the separation 20-24 25-29 they had no games. they returned in Legion somewhat with the recombined 20-29 due to the blizzard percieved fairness of PVP templates, 29's could play at the start of BFA and SL until XPon/off was separated due to complaints, in DF 29's used alts on WOW forums to highlight how Vet20's and F2Ps should be XP off and blizzard made the change. the power differential is too vast, not just gear whether blue or epic is+25 i-lvls higher than any 20 after smoothing, but due more to the talent trees and abilities that are even more drastic from 21-29 than 20s was in CATA.
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As someone that played back then, hunters didn't kill the bracket, Blizzard did.

As soon as they moved away from levelers being in same queue as twinks the brackets slowly died.

And no, most people including myself did follow the stupid "hunter limit" made up rule, it made no difference eventually not enough people to get queues.
 
blizzard has done nothing to twinking we did not ask for. prior to WOTLK it was the general player base whining about twinks which blizzard never reacted, but did do statements. when twinks started addressing blizzard saying we are twinks (predom 19s) and this is what we want, blizzard reacted. BFA, SL, and DF it was still twinks using mains/alts to get nerfs/separation/etc.

19s got really lucky mostly by accident had a huge population on the Rune Battle group servers.

all other brackets had to figure where to go during what was called the great twink migration. many brackets faced instant death on the XP on/off separation due to being on different battle groups. blizzard had not done the merge i think until MOP? the 29's and 39's that moved to get games had a weak population as many did not want to pay to move and did not want to reroll.
 
Since old raid content has been neglected for over a decade and they don't have any real plans to do anything with it, just make them scale for 20s, allow group finder specific to f2p, and allow f2p to whisper/add other f2p.

I know it won't happen, but it's what needs to happen for f2p growth to come back. Because atm there are far more f2p games that actually give people more freedom than f2p wow does nowadays. People are choosing those games over wow, because why wouldn't they?
 
Blizzard says they heavily gimps the F2Ps to control botting but there are simply solutions to the botting problem. The truth is Blizzard heavily gimps the F2Ps because they hope if they make it a shitty enough experience people will be motivated to pay for the game.

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