What's the point of 39

[Hotage]

Why not level up a lvl and go 40? Except of old tradition it doesn't make sense. BGs are exp closed anyway, wargames as well. You would be able to get tons of new items, combination, gear setups, possibilities, etc. I don't want this to be a flame thread, please post only if you have something constructive to say. Just a thought.

 

[Okton]

If you already have the best gear available, the only reason you have left to play is for fun.



Why put in so much work every few months at 85, just to get right back to where you were a few months before? Sure the numbers may be larger, but you're really just moving from gear cap to gear cap. It is an artificial sense of accomplishment.

 

[Playroom]

when it comes to twinking, its almost never about the gear or skills...

 

[Dorigon]

Having read this, I expected such a thread in every bracket's forum, but only saw this one. What makes 39s different that they should level up, as opposed to 19s, 29s, etc?

 

[Inkobah]

39s was largely seen as more balanced back in the day. I haven't played 39s in the last couple patches but yeah that's why it caught on in the first place. I would assume that it's got to be more balanced than 19s though atm.



-Ink

 

[Hotage]

when it comes to twinking, its almost never about the gear or skills...

Gearing up is fun. Combining gear is fun. New spells are fun. New gear is fun. Healers could get relics with gem-slots, thus making them tougher to kill, thus increasing the length and quality of games. Don't you tell me what twinking is about, I've been around when you were merely pooping your diapers.



Hard work wouldn't be wasted, most of those items what you worked hard for would be bis anyway. It's just some minor changes that would make the gameplay more enjoyable and balanced, I believe. 19's would have a reason not to level, because they get xp locked BGs. I'm EU btw, keep that in mind.

 

[Dorigon]

Gearing up is fun. Combining gear is fun. New spells are fun. New gear is fun. Healers could get relics with gem-slots, thus making them tougher to kill, thus increasing the length and quality of games. Don't you tell me what twinking is about, I've been around when you were merely pooping your diapers.



Hard work wouldn't be wasted, most of those items what you worked hard for would be bis anyway. It's just some minor changes that would make the gameplay more enjoyable and balanced, I believe. 19's would have a reason not to level, because they get xp locked BGs. I'm EU btw, keep that in mind.

So this was directed toward EU players? Perhaps they are hoping to build their bracket back up again.

 

[Tooh87]

I've thought about it a lot, but I enjoy being 39. As much as I hate being so close to epic riding and opening up more mounts and such, I just can't bring myself to go to another lvl bracket.

 

[Buchsti]

I don't want this to be a flame thread, please post only if you have something constructive to say.

Don't you tell me what twinking is about, I've been around when you were merely pooping your diapers.

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[zidsal]

why fix whats not broken sure 39 may be a little inactive at the moment but 39 is a fairly balanced bracket, once people get bored of firelands pretty sure activity is going pick up again

 

[Playroom]

Gearing up is fun. Combining gear is fun. New spells are fun. New gear is fun. Healers could get relics with gem-slots, thus making them tougher to kill, thus increasing the length and quality of games. Don't you tell me what twinking is about, I've been around when you were merely pooping your diapers.



Hard work wouldn't be wasted, most of those items what you worked hard for would be bis anyway. It's just some minor changes that would make the gameplay more enjoyable and balanced, I believe. 19's would have a reason not to level, because they get xp locked BGs. I'm EU btw, keep that in mind.

Sticking to to *9 is in an old tradition but there are communities build around those brackets, which makes those traditions stronger . The concept of leveling up to get new stuff beats the point twinking. 39 has it's own range of gear and skills and you get to work with the materials given to you. Otherwise it feels like being at 85 and simply pushing the gear cap for one more time. If you feel the need to work with stuff that isnt around at *9 then twink in the next bracket up.



FYI, June 2006, thats when I made my first 19 twink, the time when I farmed Silverwing rep to get my WSG tabard. Dont get agitated w/o reason or make offensive assuptions, I'm just expressing my opinion here.

 

[Hotage]

Sticking to to *9 is in an old tradition but there are communities build around those brackets, which makes those traditions stronger . The concept of leveling up to get new stuff beats the point twinking. 39 has it's own range of gear and skills and you get to work with the materials given to you. Otherwise it feels like being at 85 and simply pushing the gear cap for one more time. If you feel the need to work with stuff that isnt around at *9 then twink in the next bracket up.



FYI, June 2006, thats when I made my first 19 twink, the time when I farmed Silverwing rep to get my WSG tabard. Dont get agitated w/o reason or make offensive assuptions, I'm just expressing my opinion here.

Your first comment was an offensive assumption and far from constructive criticism. And if it wasn't meant to be that way, express yourself more clearly next time, not in a style that wants to make me look stupid.



This was merely theorycrafting, of course I knew that the vast majority won't accept, it was just a thought, I've never seen anyone coming up with anything like this. Just a thought. In my opinion, it would be cool. And something new.

 

[Fooxe]

I find this thread funny. You don't want anyone to flame, yet you start talking shit as soon as someone said something that didn't suit you.



For me, twinking 39 is something I have always liked more than other brackets, back when it actually took time to kill a healer, except for WF shamans and balance druids. Now I just play because I like gearing up, doing achievements and doing the ocassional PvP, because DPS is a little over the top right now.

I can see your point in level 40 twinks, tho It's probably not a big difference from 39, because of the new talent system.

 

[Nirean]

This thought has crossed my mind too, and in many ways i think it could be awesome. Think of the ammount of gear that blizz implemented in cata that has a lvl 40 requirement, especially from dungeons.



But on the other hand.. it just doesn't feel the same. I think it comes down to the tradition of always having twinks at 19/29/39/49 and so forth, i personally think it would be a bit weird suddenly having a lvl 40 twink. Additionally, i have a fear that this would cause a split between people who want to twink at lvl 40, and traditional people who want to stay at 39. And even if a lvl 40 community is established, it is way too probable that people will start saying, "Hey i know 40 is great, but look, i get death coil at lvl 42, let's make lvl 42 twinks instead!". People would keep pushing up a lvl or two for the next improvement, because hey, we got so much better from 39 to 40, so why not lvl even higher and get even better.

I would love to try making a lvl 40 twink, but im afraid it just isn't going to be the same.

 

[Kirise]

Every bracket has its pros and cons. Starting off with a fresh bracket certainly has some appeal. I mean, c'mon, wouldn't it be neat to be a part of a new bracket and discover its nuances? That's part of why the 10-14 bracket and 20-24 bracket is picking up interest.



That said, I have my doubts about doing it in the 40-44 bracket. If you look at all of the currently active US middle brackets, 49s have the highest damage-to-health ratio. Then the 39 and 60-64 brackets have more survivability (they're about equal to each other), and finally the 29 and 70-74 brackets have the most survivability (also about equal to each other). I haven't played in 19s or 10s, so I don't know where they fit into the equation.



The damage-to-health ratio makes a sort of curve, with 49s at the top. Lower brackets don't hit as hard thanks to how Blizzard scaled down damage for the lower brackets, and upper brackets don't hit as hard thanks to extra stamina from engineering items and the introduction of resilience.



The 40-44 bracket, then, would likely end up near 49s. Which is to say, really high burst. Many twinkers don't like that kind of intensity. The socketed relics would help casters to some degree, but not enough to mitigate the higher damage from better weapons and additional abilities. Professions would stay the same as 39s and 49s.



Instead, I would recommend going farther down either side of the curve. Either consider the 30-34 bracket, or reviving the 59 bracket. 30-34 is quicker to reach and would presumably offer even better survivability than the 39 bracket. The 59 bracket brings extra survivability from Outlands gear, and since part of the gear comes from quests and professions, the bracket is relatively easy to gear for.