EU+US Weapon Choice - WW Monk

[Gixxer66]

Just gearing a fresh 60 WW Monk, what weapons and Enchants should I be using for WPvP?

https://www.wowhead.com/item=11684/ironfoe with
https://www.wowhead.com/item=10847/dragons-call&bonus=4061
or
https://www.wowhead.com/item=11920/wraith-scythe x 2

Also have the 1H Dustwallow Mace

Been trying https://www.wowhead.com/spell=59621/berserking on my main hand, according to details I get a 56 - 58% Uptime with it - which is crazy. Are Landslide / Dancing Steel better ?

Character ( Still WiP ) https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/ghostlands/ericka

 

[hom]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=10847/dragons-call - This is a pretty good weapon, but sometimes spawning adds means classes can benefit. Generating combo points, drain life, death strike etc.

Ironfoe - Also a formidable weapon, I'm not sure on what the proc actually means. Does it just replicate white melee hits or can it duplicate ability yellow hits?

For the most dps in world pvp I'd lean on these:

https://www.wowhead.com/item=13286/rivenspike#dropped-by - I'm unsure how often this procs - Will stack with Bashguurder

https://www.wowhead.com/item=13204/bashguuder#comments - I've seen this most at 60, procs fairly often - Stacks with the Rivenspike proc

https://www.wowhead.com/item=9485/vibroblade&bonus=4017 - Rare drop, unsure on the proc rate

https://www.wowhead.com/item=9465/digmaster-5000&bonus=4065 - Extremely rare drop - unsure on proc rates


Getting a proc on one of the weapons above will contribute more to your dps than any other weapon in the bracket.

For enchants, I'd suggest coastal surge on both weapons. They do contribute to substantial healing in a fight. But for dps boost, I'd probably say landslide for the pure burst. Your burst on a monk is fairly on command with little setup required, so if you see a proc or two of landslide, you know you're ready to go.

 

[Gixxer66]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=10847/dragons-call - This is a pretty good weapon, but sometimes spawning adds means classes can benefit. Generating combo points, drain life, death strike etc.

Ironfoe - Also a formidable weapon, I'm not sure on what the proc actually means. Does it just replicate white melee hits or can it duplicate ability yellow hits?

For the most dps in world pvp I'd lean on these:

https://www.wowhead.com/item=13286/rivenspike#dropped-by - I'm unsure how often this procs - Will stack with Bashguurder

https://www.wowhead.com/item=13204/bashguuder#comments - I've seen this most at 60, procs fairly often - Stacks with the Rivenspike proc

https://www.wowhead.com/item=9485/vibroblade&bonus=4017 - Rare drop, unsure on the proc rate

https://www.wowhead.com/item=9465/digmaster-5000&bonus=4065 - Extremely rare drop - unsure on proc rates


Getting a proc on one of the weapons above will contribute more to your dps than any other weapon in the bracket.

For enchants, I'd suggest coastal surge on both weapons. They do contribute to substantial healing in a fight. But for dps boost, I'd probably say landslide for the pure burst. Your burst on a monk is fairly on command with little setup required, so if you see a proc or two of landslide, you know you're ready to go.

Thanks for the reply - After my next 10 fails at getting the Socketed belt from Ramparts I'll run LBRS and hope for https://www.wowhead.com/item=13286/rivenspike . Wouldn't want to lose to much stam by having 2 x as stam has extra value on a WW with Touch of Death being a % of HP

Might be worth while running Gnomer on a high level and clearing all the trash a few times to try and get a Vibroblade to drop. Unfortunately the 2 I have banked are level 37 .....

 

[Blackberryy]

Thanks for the reply - After my next 10 fails at getting the Socketed belt from Ramparts I'll run LBRS and hope for https://www.wowhead.com/item=13286/rivenspike . Wouldn't want to lose to much stam by having 2 x as stam has extra value on a WW with Touch of Death being a % of HP

Might be worth while running Gnomer on a high level and clearing all the trash a few times to try and get a Vibroblade to drop. Unfortunately the 2 I have banked are level 37 .....

Bashguuder is the greatest of those weapons you can choose. I used it at 59 and on my 60 rogue. It has the highest uptime and stacks quickly. As Your primary though, if ww damage scales off weapon damage I’d go for the 2 3.40 weapons speed maxes, either cudgel of naralax (both factions) or mok’moroks headcracker (horde).

Also for berserking to proc that much they have to have changed something, but damn that’s cool. I assumed landslide would be best since they have the unique double proc synergy. But as he said, double coastal surge is just insane self sustain.

 

[hom]

ww damage scales off weapon damage

I might be wrong but I thought they changed the definition of weapon damage.
It used to be top end damage that impacted the value of abilities. But I believe now it's change to the dps of the weapons used... so an epic lvl 72 wep would be the best...

I could be mistaken here but I'm pretty sure that's how it works...

 

[Gixxer66]

Bashguuder is the greatest of those weapons you can choose. I used it at 59 and on my 60 rogue. It has the highest uptime and stacks quickly. As Your primary though, if ww damage scales off weapon damage I’d go for the 2 3.40 weapons speed maxes, either cudgel of naralax (both factions) or mok’moroks headcracker (horde).

Also for berserking to proc that much they have to have changed something, but damn that’s cool. I assumed landslide would be best since they have the unique double proc synergy. But as he said, double coastal surge is just insane self sustain.

Again thx for replying.

No harm in going for the Cudgel - Epic would be nice ! Already have Mok'moroks, got very lucky last night got both Ironfoe and Dragon's Call in back to back runs. Have used Dragon's Call a lot on a 60 Pala when tanking, seen up to 3 Dragons spawn at a time.

Details consistently shows that uptime for Berserking, unfortunately it's not picking up Dancing Steel procs for some reason so I have no direct comparison.

I'll test a combo of Coastal Surge / Damage Proc enchants vs 2 X CS. I'll put Lanslide on Ironfoe and see what kind of uptime I get.

 

[hom]

Found a few quest rewards that have inflated stats:

Increased agility (17 agility, no stam):
https://www.wowhead.com/item=60924/corpseweed-sickle&bonus=5645
https://www.wowhead.com/item=157003/corpseweed-hewer&bonus=5645
https://www.wowhead.com/item=58978/filthy-paw&bonus=5675
https://www.wowhead.com/item=59563/waptor-thwapper&bonus=5684
https://www.wowhead.com/item=69223/emergency-hatchet&bonus=5684
https://www.wowhead.com/item=54991/marcus-pickaxe&bonus=5669
https://www.wowhead.com/item=66876/sharp-edge-of-balance&bonus=5669
https://www.wowhead.com/item=57230/kodo-mallet&bonus=5681

Increased Crit Strike:
https://www.wowhead.com/item=35824/stoneblade-slicer&bonus=5544

Increased Haste:
https://www.wowhead.com/item=35851/acid-etched-knuckles&bonus=5544

Increased Haste and Crit:
https://www.wowhead.com/item=37077/smoldering-talon&bonus=5535

Increased Stamina - would be worth a weapon swap before karma/heirloom neck:
https://www.wowhead.com/item=156947/hammerfall-cudgel&bonus=5609
https://www.wowhead.com/item=37072/jagged-icefist&bonus=5535
https://www.wowhead.com/item=27756/marshfang-blade-axe&bonus=5590

 

[Blackberryy]

I might be wrong but I thought they changed the definition of weapon damage.
It used to be top end damage that impacted the value of abilities. But I believe now it's change to the dps of the weapons used... so an epic lvl 72 wep would be the best...

I could be mistaken here but I'm pretty sure that's how it works...

Sadly that’s not quite how it works, the weapon speed for some reason effects the damage done by an insane amount. For example the epic mokmorok on my 70 increases my bottom and top end flat damage by 150 and leaves me at the same damage with ability’s as a hand of the deceiver with double gems. It’s actually insane

 

[hom]

Sadly that’s not quite how it works, the weapon speed for some reason effects the damage done by an insane amount. For example the epic mokmorok on my 70 increases my bottom and top end flat damage by 150 and leaves me at the same damage with ability’s as a hand of the deceiver with double gems. It’s actually insane

I see - so probably the best weapon choices would be a Bashguuder and an epic slow mace.

 

[Hashbrowns]

I might be wrong but I thought they changed the definition of weapon damage.
It used to be top end damage that impacted the value of abilities. But I believe now it's change to the dps of the weapons used... so an epic lvl 72 wep would be the best...

I could be mistaken here but I'm pretty sure that's how it works...

Its normalzied, meaning yellows use a 2.6 speed but the damage range roll for the yellow still uses the weapon damage range, which is significantly higher on a 3.6. Plus melee uses that same roll, so jist all aroubd more danage.

Pretty sure ironfoe just replicates the melee attack but never tested.

 

[hom]

Its normalzied, meaning yellows use a 2.6 speed but the damage range roll for the yellow still uses the weapon damage range, which is significantly higher on a 3.6. Plus melee uses that same roll, so jist all aroubd more danage.

Pretty sure ironfoe just replicates the melee attack but never tested.

I see - is this the same for Feral Druids or is their weapon dps still the biggest factor in their output?

 

[Hashbrowns]

I see - is this the same for Feral Druids or is their weapon dps still the biggest factor in their output?

Yea not sure how much it impacts monk but for feral at 20, +3 and sharpened +3 makes difference betwen an ok spec and a good one.

 

[hom]

Yea not sure how much it impacts monk but for feral at 20, +3 and sharpened +3 makes difference betwen an ok spec and a good one.

Yeah it's the same at 60. +8 weapon damage is better than anything else available for feral

 

[Gixxer66]

Thanks all for your input.

When / if i manage to get my remaining socketed items, I'll spend some time obtaining more weapons and do some tests on a target Dummy. Probably un-enchanted to start with to get an even picture.

*Currently* I'll run with the slow mainhand ( Which has berserking enchant ) and I'll alternate with Wraith Scythe and Iron Foe and bash a test dummy during dungeon lockouts see what numbers I come up with.
[doublepost=1582668892,1582643766][/doublepost]LFG Dungeon Utgarde Keep - to show Berserker Buff Uptime / Ironfoe proc damage etc

Running Mok'morokks Mace with Berserker mainhand and Ironfoe OH no 'chant

https://pasteboard.co/IWnlRY2.png

https://pasteboard.co/IWnm9dq.png

 

[hom]

Thanks all for your input.

When / if i manage to get my remaining socketed items, I'll spend some time obtaining more weapons and do some tests on a target Dummy. Probably un-enchanted to start with to get an even picture.

*Currently* I'll run with the slow mainhand ( Which has berserking enchant ) and I'll alternate with Wraith Scythe and Iron Foe and bash a test dummy during dungeon lockouts see what numbers I come up with.
[doublepost=1582668892,1582643766][/doublepost]LFG Dungeon Utgarde Keep - to show Berserker Buff Uptime / Ironfoe proc damage etc

Running Mok'morokks Mace with Berserker mainhand and Ironfoe OH no 'chant

https://pasteboard.co/IWnlRY2.png

https://pasteboard.co/IWnm9dq.png

Is that 'thrash blade' damage, the damage from Ironfoe?
[doublepost=1582708923][/doublepost]Surprisingly high Beserk up time actually. Have you tried double Berserk?

 

[Gixxer66]

Is that 'thrash blade' damage, the damage from Ironfoe?
[doublepost=1582708923][/doublepost]Surprisingly high Beserk up time actually. Have you tried double Berserk?

Thrash Blade is Ironfoe

Not tried double 'zerker yet - Want to try a few more OH weapons with no enchant for direct comparison.

I ran a second Utgarde Keep shortly after that and got slightly higher uptime ( as a % ) than the run I posted. I'm interested in how much uptime Landslide has vs 'zerker

Did some testing a while back - so the info may not be completely relevant:

https://xpoff.com/threads/training-dummy-weapon-enchants-proc-rates.78739/#post-1096156

 

[Blackberryy]

Found a few quest rewards that have inflated stats:

Increased agility (17 agility, no stam):
https://www.wowhead.com/item=60924/corpseweed-sickle&bonus=5645
https://www.wowhead.com/item=157003/corpseweed-hewer&bonus=5645
https://www.wowhead.com/item=58978/filthy-paw&bonus=5675
https://www.wowhead.com/item=59563/waptor-thwapper&bonus=5684
https://www.wowhead.com/item=69223/emergency-hatchet&bonus=5684
https://www.wowhead.com/item=54991/marcus-pickaxe&bonus=5669
https://www.wowhead.com/item=66876/sharp-edge-of-balance&bonus=5669
https://www.wowhead.com/item=57230/kodo-mallet&bonus=5681

Increased Crit Strike:
https://www.wowhead.com/item=35824/stoneblade-slicer&bonus=5544

Increased Haste:
https://www.wowhead.com/item=35851/acid-etched-knuckles&bonus=5544

Increased Haste and Crit:
https://www.wowhead.com/item=37077/smoldering-talon&bonus=5535

Increased Stamina - would be worth a weapon swap before karma/heirloom neck:
https://www.wowhead.com/item=156947/hammerfall-cudgel&bonus=5609
https://www.wowhead.com/item=37072/jagged-icefist&bonus=5535
https://www.wowhead.com/item=27756/marshfang-blade-axe&bonus=5590

https://www.wowhead.com/item=54885/power-of-the-hippogryph&bonus=5662

I’d like to add as a 17 agility weapon that I tried for a while back.

also

Thrash Blade is Ironfoe

Not tried double 'zerker yet - Want to try a few more OH weapons with no enchant for direct comparison.

I ran a second Utgarde Keep shortly after that and got slightly higher uptime ( as a % ) than the run I posted. I'm interested in how much uptime Landslide has vs 'zerker

Did some testing a while back - so the info may not be completely relevant:

https://xpoff.com/threads/training-dummy-weapon-enchants-proc-rates.78739/#post-1096156

I am so stoked to see berserk at that kind of uptime, such an underrated enchant. Great find and research. It’s interesting to see iron for proccing a lot as well, it let me down so badly when I tried it at 60 a few patches back. Off hand I still think that the armor debuff is such a huge dps increase but I’d be interested in seeing how it stacks up, I myself will test with the armor stacking debuff on my 60 outlaw and post it here if you’d like. One more thing xD, don’t forget about Crystal yield, used to be usable in bgs and dungeons but they removed that thanks to us I believe haha. But it’s super strong in duels and open world encounters.

To conclude my ramblings the 3.4 mainland is bar none bis, it’s even bis as outlaw and maybe ww at 70 just to show how powerful it is.

 

[Gixxer66]

I'd like to spend more time testing but until the game decides I deserve a set of Deft Handguards, I'm running The Slave Pens ..... *31 attempts and counting for an item with an alleged drop rate of 8.49%

Was speaking to an old friend in game today, he agrees that that 3.60 Mace is BiS on a 60 - He currently runs Mace and Ironfoe with Coastal Surge on both on his 60 Enhance. He's doing mostly WPvP.

*40 attempts now - think I've had every other drop, barring the one I want. Ideally I need 2 sets *welp*

*51 Attempts and the Gloves Finally Dropped - will not being trying for set 2 for a while !

 

[mfdoom]

I'd like to spend more time testing but until the game decides I deserve a set of Deft Handguards, I'm running The Slave Pens ..... *31 attempts and counting for an item with an alleged drop rate of 8.49%

Was speaking to an old friend in game today, he agrees that that 3.60 Mace is BiS on a 60 - He currently runs Mace and Ironfoe with Coastal Surge on both on his 60 Enhance. He's doing mostly WPvP.

*40 attempts now - think I've had every other drop, barring the one I want. Ideally I need 2 sets *welp*

*51 Attempts and the Gloves Finally Dropped - will not being trying for set 2 for a while !

I just got my gloves too! Great feeling when he finally drops the right item. I got about 10 extra pairs of pants if you need any.
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/agamaggan/tragedy

 

[Osop]

It's a great feeling when Dragon's Call procs, I suggest it.