Warriors: Crit vs AP

Mesikämmen

Mesikämmen

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So I've been seeing Bananamilk + Zimt running with ze crit set (stendels, leather crit gear etc), and been wondering if it really is worth it to exchange ~40AP for 5-6% crit as warr?

I mean sure, it's cool critting a few times in a row now and then, but is it really that great when you're hitting lower each crit? And then there's the survivability factor too, you're dumping some stamina when swapping dual argas into stendels and armor when changing boots / gloves into crit leather, and some parry from strength too (parry rating from strength was also buffed in mop) Not a lot, but a little bit nevertheless, and the survivability is definitely one of the strengths of a warrior.

I also heard from a warrior that more crit means more rage, but from what I've tested, crit gives the same amount of rage as a regular hit. Does someone know another way that crit would give you more rage? Maybe I misunderstood what he meant by crit giving more rage.

What would be the ideal amount of ap / crit? Which stat would you value more?

Any thoughts, experiences, discussion and arguments why crit set > ap set or vice versa are well appreciated on this thread.



Here are a few armory links aswell:

Crit:
Bananamilk @ Draenor - Community - World of Warcraft
Zimt @ Draenor - Community - World of Warcraft

AP:
Nazhifajtm @ Draenor - Community - World of Warcraft (doesn't have skinning like the others, so add ~3% crit when comparing to others ^^)
Prosimet @ Draenor - Community - World of Warcraft
Turdel @ Bleeding Hollow - Community - World of Warcraft
 
Zimt the Diplomat said:
Enrage - Spell - World of Warcraft ;)
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Ah it gives rage too, didn't know. Have you tried any dps tests with different sets?

Tho, 6% increased chance to get 10 rage every 6 seconds isn't very appealing to me :p the 10% buff is good of course but is it worth losing AP for having a little bit higher chance of gaining the buff? Who knows.

I will be getting my crit set aswell and running some dps tests later on when I'm done with stendels... 39 stacks o' fish atm, 5 banes, 0 rings :D Kinda wish I could unbind my pair on mesi now
 
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Shame those two crit armories are not using BoA ring, helm + ring is a decent crit-based way to cap. Really does my head in that Rift Bracers are GFd, they even appear in the shadowfang keep loot logs.

Psycloan @ Doomhammer - Community - World of Warcraft

I should use Skinning, but I made my warrior for mainly FCing. If I used skinning I'd break 20% crit while maintaining a decent amount of AP, so I like my set atm.

If a mass amount of players opened tickets complaining about Rift Bracers not dropping yet being listed in the Dungeon Journal, they may re-add them. Fairly doubtful though ):
 
Mesikämmen said:
Ah it gives rage too, didn't know. Have you tried any dps tests with different sets?

Tho, 6% increased chance to get 10 rage every 6 seconds isn't very appealing to me :p the 10% buff is good of course but is it worth losing AP for having a little bit higher chance of gaining the buff? Who knows.

I will be getting my crit set aswell and running some dps tests later on when I'm done with stendels... 39 stacks o' fish atm, 5 banes, 0 rings :D Kinda wish I could unbind my pair on mesi now
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I'm not much of a statistik guy, I do what feels right and just play good ;)
-> no I haven't done any dps tests
but from my expierence is cirt>str>sta todays, because you what do you want to do in wsg? doing constant dps and critting on a avarage basis or getting 2-3 crits with ms and slam in a row? the answer (for me) is ofc burst, you have to suprise the healers with crits, that's all warriors have these days (in meele combat). I gladly give up 40ap for 5-6% crit.
About the survive part: As warrior you won't do much 1v1, because it's just depressing. In wsg and arena you'll have a healer (that's certain in mop) with you. ofc you can get focused down easier, but it isnt that hard to do even with some +armor and +~200hp
That's my point of view ;)


@Caulfield: I don't have BoA-ring (yet) :( and Rift Bracers, didnt bother to get them when they were available, now I could bite my ass because of it :D
 
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Zimt the Diplomat said:
I'm not much of a statistik guy, I do what feels right and just play good ;)
-> no I haven't done any dps tests
but from my expierence is cirt>str>sta todays, because you what do you want to do in wsg? doing constant dps and critting on a avarage basis or getting 2-3 crits with ms and slam in a row? the answer (for me) is ofc burst, you have to suprise the healers with crits, that's all warriors have these days (in meele combat). I gladly give up 40ap for 5-6% crit.
About the survive part: As warrior you won't do much 1v1, because it's just depressing. In wsg and arena you'll have a healer (that's certain in mop) with you. ofc you can get focused down easier, but it isnt that hard to do even with some +armor and +~200hp
That's my point of view ;)


@Caulfield: I don't have BoA-ring (yet) :( and Rift Bracers, didnt bother to get them when they were available, now I could bite my ass because of it :D
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To be honest, even if you crit a few times in a row, you won't get a decent healer down by yourself. What I like to do is run around with a strong dps and use mortal, sunder and of course charge + silence to help my ACTUAL dpser friend to score kills easily :D This of course leads us into the conclusion, why would I care about the dps anyways if I don't care about dpsing much on my warrior? Well the truth is, I really don't lol. But of course if I can get better gear, I will ;)
 
Mesikämmen said:
To be honest, even if you crit a few times in a row, you won't get a decent healer down by yourself. What I like to do is run around with a strong dps and use mortal, sunder and of course charge + silence to help my ACTUAL dpser friend to score kills easily :D This of course leads us into the conclusion, why would I care about the dps anyways if I don't care about dpsing much on my warrior? Well the truth is, I really don't lol. But of course if I can get better gear, I will ;)
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I never said that one can crit down a decent healer alone, I thought it was clear, that we are talking about wsg situations. In the end I guess it's all about preference, either you like to prick on the efc with your dps and play the support for others, or you see warr still as a decent class which isn't degraded to a supporting role and can aswell put out some burst. On the end of the day, 5%crit vs 40ap isn't that much of a difference to begin with, it really doesnt matter much. But what's your problem is, is the mentallity. You don't have the warrior's mentality ;)
 
Zimt the Diplomat said:
I never said that one can crit down a decent healer alone, I thought it was clear, that we are talking about wsg situations. In the end I guess it's all about preference, either you like to prick on the efc with your dps and play the support for others, or you see warr still as a decent class which isn't degraded to a supporting role and can aswell put out some burst. On the end of the day, 5%crit vs 40ap isn't that much of a difference to begin with, it really doesnt matter much. But what's your problem is, is the mentallity. You don't have the warrior's mentality ;)
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I'm a MoP warrior, maybe that's why :O I've found warrior in a kind of an assist role extremely effective. It's not like I don't dps aswell though, of course. But timing your CC is a lot more important than to try to burst and dps the shit out of people, that's how I've felt so far at least. I'd rather focuscharge the healer and let the other dps finish the job than to try and spam mortal + slam on efc and trust that someone else CC's the healer :)

Am definitely not saying warrior is degraded to a supporting role. IMO warriors are more useful atm than in cata, where everything you could do is damagebot and spam the AoE snare.

Btw can you define warrior mentality, maybe I can some day be a REAL WARRIOR TWINK

Ps. 1k casts, 7 banes, no rings :D I used up all of my luck farming for Mesis stendels!
 
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Mesikämmen said:
I'm a MoP warrior, maybe that's why :O I've found warrior in a kind of an assist role extremely effective. It's not like I don't dps aswell though, of course. But timing your CC is a lot more important than to try to burst and dps the shit out of people :p
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I'm sure you will find enough time to actually dps while you time your 1 CC.
 
Mesikämmen said:
I'm a MoP warrior, maybe that's why :O I've found warrior in a kind of an assist role extremely effective. It's not like I don't dps aswell though, of course. But timing your CC is a lot more important than to try to burst and dps the shit out of people :p
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the skill is, to combine both, time the cc right AND burst+dps the shit out of people ;)
 
For my part i play my warrior as like Taric assist bot lane in League of Legends so that's why i don't have skinning and i don't crit alot cuz Taric is the jewel master and he need mining to do good shit.
 
Crit is a must for warrs no matter how much AP you have your white hits arent that hard unless you have crusader. you are depending on those yellows critting
 
5% crit (1 in 20 chance) is not significant at all.

secondary stat is a secondary stat
 
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