Warrior BiS w/o Heirloom

rivalwild

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What would be a couple of the best Weapons availiable to 19 warriors without any heirlooms?
 
So there's no way I should wield a 2h?
 
I like razors edge a lot for an off hand, nice speed/dps and it comes with stats! As for main hand I would probably roll with a prot sword (pvp) main hand, its slower and also has nice stats. Crusader for prot sword and 15 str on razors edge.
 
This conversation has been discussed and conquered in a few previous Fury Warrior threads. I'll post again here for more clarification.



Weapon x - y damage & speed no longer factor into any of our special abilities, except for the DoT from Rend & white dmg - to a small extent.

The other 5 damage abilities that we have are now entirely based off AP. I know its hard to wrap your head around, myself included, but Its true and here is proof.



Bloodthirst : AP x 62 / 100

Heroic Strike : 8 + $AP x 75 / 100

Victory Rush : AP x 56 / 100

Execute : 10 + AP x 0.437 x 100 / 100 | $AP x 0.874 x 100 / 100 - 1

Thunder Clap : AP!



Taking this new information into consideration, this theory is correct. Even a lvl 1 dagger with +1 strength will out perform SF when applied to our special abilities. I have done the necessary testing to confirm this, and it is confirmed. (don't use daggers fyi - rage gen is bleh at best, its just a no no)



There are a lot of choices for 1h swords with strength. What you have to ask yourself is, what works for you? Some have extra strength, while some have hit rating, etc. But to narrow it down, here is a list of viable options - all surpassing SF.



Butcher's Slicer

Legionnaire's Sword (or alliance equivalent)

Razor's Edge

Baron's Scepter

Gutterblade (no longer available)



As for enchants Crusader x2 or Crusader / +15 strength, as many have mentioned above. Hope this helps, cheers!
 
I saw a brief mention of wielding 2h in Fury, this does not work well. You miss out on the 10% damage done increase for duel wielding and the 25% increase in damage from your off hand (don't know how that factors in to the overall % of damage that you loose), and don't even get me started on rage gen. lol



Its a very noticeable difference, you would be nerfing yourself for no gain whatsoever. I admit, I did try it - it sounded good. But thats all it did was sound good.



EDIT: I forgot to mention, rage generation has been balanced. Slow weapon, fast weapon, the RPS will be the same **The reason I perfer slow weapons, is I get more rage per hit. Giving me the opportunity to unleash more burst damage in a single moment.

This is confirmed in a couple earlier threads.
 
wow i just realized that according to you (and wowhead lol) you would hardly see a difference on execute wtih a 2h vs 1h... just depends on AP /mindblown
 
Unfortunatly even though your 2h may give you extra strength (which applied, would increase your special attacks more), you still lose the 10% total + 25% dmg increase in off hand for not duel wielding. That would negate the extra boost in stats, bringing your total damage down - even though you have a few more strength on your 2h.



Also 2h in Fury doesn't give you enough rage generation to use your special abilities in any productive manner. 2h is only viable with Arms because of the +10% dmg increase & the extra rage generation passive ability.



If you try it out, you'll see what I mean.
 
I will insert that Shadowfang is still the best MH weapon due to the fact that rend and melee (white attacks) are about 55% of my total DPS after extensive testing. the Proc and agility furthermore seperates it from other weapons. also a very desirable speed. Clickplease, may I ask whether or not you actually have a shadowfang? :S
 
Yeah I have a SF, and used to use it for the past 3 years now.



- The 6 agility is like 0.2% crit.. Its nothing compared to + 3 strength and 2 stamina stats from the Slicer.

- Th 30 dmg shadowbolt proc is bleh when you compare it to an additional 1.01% chance to hit from the Butcher's Slicer.

(I have had white damage crit for ~300 without Crusader, I'd rather have 1% chance to land one of those, than the same chance to land a 30dmg proc)



I told you I did the nessesary testing to confirm this.

I equiped a lvl 10 green axe with +3 strength - recorded the dmg output of my special attacks

then equipped SF - recorded the dmg output of my special attacks.

Green Axe gave more dmg.



So your telling me you would choose +1.7 dps, +~0.2% crit, & a 30dmg proc over 4 AP, 1.01% hit, & 3 stamina??? Considering that every single one of our most important burst capabilities is influenced exclusively by AP???



I can't understand that...
 
yes u can still get SF, its rare, but in an earlier thread a GM confirmed for someone that is it still dropping post Cataclysm.
 
Ladolce, there is just no way 55% of your damage comes from the DoT of Rend and white damage. My testing has narrowed down white damage to about 25% of total damage output. I don't have WoW at school, so I'll have to wait till I get home to get the exact numbers for total % of damage the DoT of Rend gives, but my brain can't wrap around 30% . . . I'm thinking maybe 10%, with good RNG.



Remember it is ONLY the DOT of Rend that weapon x-y dmg & speed apply, not the instant portion of Rend.
 
Clickplease said:
Ladolce, there is just no way 55% of your damage comes from the DoT of Rend and white damage. My testing has narrowed down white damage to about 25% of total damage output. I don't have WoW at school, so I'll have to wait till I get home to get the exact numbers for total % of damage the DoT of Rend gives, but my brain can't wrap around 30% . . . I'm thinking maybe 10%, with good RNG.



Remember it is ONLY the DOT of Rend that weapon x-y dmg & speed apply, not the instant portion of Rend.
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The problem with your logic is that your testing of white damage is obviously way off. the slower weapon speed on shadowfang also increases the chance that crusader will proc on all special abilities.



edit: also you are assuming that your ToT is perfect, my #s are strictly from wsg, where sometimes all i get is a few white swings and a rend before I am easily CCd off target.
 
double post. my bad. But seriously examine your agility to crit conversion lmao. 6 agility=0.2% crit?



edit: figured i'd save you some time.

Agility - 1 Agility = 0.14% Crit chance and 0.0865% Dodge chance. 2 armor.
 
Clickplease said:
yes u can still get SF, its rare, but in an earlier thread a GM confirmed for someone that is it still dropping post Cataclysm.
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GMs are unreliable at best, especially because they can only confirm if there is still a loot table for that item. Expect SF to be as rare as PoD was if it even still drops.
 
Ladolce said:
The problem with your logic is that your testing of white damage is obviously way off. the slower weapon speed on shadowfang also increases the chance that crusader will proc on all special abilities.



edit: also you are assuming that your ToT is perfect, my #s are strictly from wsg, where sometimes all i get is a few white swings and a rend before I am easily CCd off target.
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WSG sword is 2.70 aswell and Butcher's Slicer is 2.60. So it's not really much difference in speed :p
 
Equipping an SF on a warrior is not a good idea anymore, I just can't bear the thought of letting mine sit in the bank. Sure you may get slightly more topend for rend and slightly higher white damage but thats outweighed by the loss of damage to specials.



Edit: If I were making a new warrior I would go WSG sword MH and razor's edge OH.
 
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