Warlock -- Why Not?

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I've been around the bracket long enough to know that warlocks are probably the least played class overall. For me, it's gotten to the point in my twinking career where I'm looking to have fun as opposed to a 2400 rating in the arena. Of course, that doesn't mean I'm not competitive. I'm thinking about rolling a warlock, as they seem to be extremely fun to play. I was thinking about some things, and feel free to correct me.

My Thought Process

-I would mostly use warlock as a utility as opposed to a damage dealer, and by that I mean, in 3s, spam fear and keep dots on everyone as opposed to focus targeting like most comps do
-Stack resilience as much as possible (I estimate around 45%). I would still get ganked 1v1 against rogues, but I'm not speaking in terms of 1v1s
-Roll with a disc priest (for mana burn) in 2s
-Roll with a spriest/rshaman or rdruid in 3s
-Use JC and BS as professions (I've been twinking at 70 since WotLK and never bought Cata...no tazik for me)
-Affliction in both 2s and 3s (as well as bgs)

Things Holding Me Back

-Obviously lack of survivability
-Having terribad teammates in 3s who can't play shadowplay or don't have a mic
-Leveling ANOTHER toon to 70
-Crying in bgs while leveling the toon
-Very reliant on healer and teammates

Summary

Like I said, just trying to have fun. However, losing is not fun. I know a warlock in this bracket (especially in rbgs) can help tremendously, especially since they are a rarity, but I don't know if it's something I will catch onto like I did other classes. For example, I rolled a spriest and picked up on it almost instantly.

Basically, I'm just asking for community opinion on the class in general. I'm sure I'm going to get the "warlocks suck, reroll mage" response, and to that I say: I already have a mage nana boo boo.

For reals though, please help me out here.
 
I'm doing exactly the same :) was halfway tru leveling it but then my pc broke and now Diablo 3 and rl stuff is taking most of the time.

You mention that you want to have fun more than anything else, and I don't quite believe affliction can bring that fun, especially at 70 where dot pressure doesn't really work. Best guess would probably be to go destro, you'd get both the fun and the burst that is required, along with a significant survival boost.

And yes the most boring part of the whole deal is getting 1 shotted by rogues shadowstep'ing ambushs in bgs while leveling.

Good luck
 
vixey said:
I'm doing exactly the same :) was halfway tru leveling it but then my pc broke and now Diablo 3 and rl stuff is taking most of the time.

You mention that you want to have fun more than anything else, and I don't quite believe affliction can bring that fun, especially at 70 where dot pressure doesn't really work. Best guess would probably be to go destro, you'd get both the fun and the burst that is required, along with a significant survival boost.

And yes the most boring part of the whole deal is getting 1 shotted by rogues shadowstep'ing ambushs in bgs while leveling.

Good luck
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Affliction is really the only viable spec at 70 in my opinion though. Destruction is not reliable on dots very much, so what does that make them? Essentially a mage with less damage and no bubble. With affliction, (and this is a personal preference, I love playing shadowplay) you get a protector on your dots (ie. Unstable Affliction) and a faster way to apply dots (Soul Swap + Glyph). Plus, with shadowplay comp, there IS dot pressure. You have your lock dots with spriest dots, two dispell protectors, and mana burning. EVENTUALLY (30 mins later...) you're going to comp out on top, especially with RMP teams that rely on initial burst.

Again, feel free to correct.
 
Well on paper everything you say is correct, except maybe the fact that you say destro isn't viable, i'm convinced it is and met enough good warlocks to back up my opinion.
I guess you should just give it a go, it's important that you play something you are familiar with and mostly that you like.
Also, if i remember correctly, there was a shadowplay team in the 70 tournament held in the US some time ago, don't know how they managed and can't recall their names either but try to get a hold of them, they can probably help you clear some questions.

pce
 
First off, awesome to see people trying out "weak" classes. I say this, because from my perspective there are no "weak" classes at 70, just classes whose skillcap is far higher to do equally well as mages/rogues for example.

I think all 3 lock specs are more than viable in the right gear and the right hands, each of course has its positives and negatives, i'm sure you don't need me to list them, bare in mind im no lock expert, but i will if you want me to.

I think destruction locks in particular are essential to any rbg team - only if the warlock in questions knows what he's doing. An Aoe stun for 3 seconds, in which time any target can be globalled is insane. Unfortunately no offense to the warlocks whom i know of, but im still waiting to see an amazing warlock who knows exactly what he's doing and would pull his weight equal to any other class/spec.

@vixey, there was a WLD team who myself and yow (who i was watching the stream with at the time) were both really impressed by. They played by far the best of all the comps there and the warlock and warrior in that team were really good with amazing synergy. Like you though, i have no idea on their names, but im sure someone from US could fill us in ^^
 
vixey said:
Well on paper everything you say is correct, except maybe the fact that you say destro isn't viable, i'm convinced it is and met enough good warlocks to back up my opinion.
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You maybe be right, although speaking from experience, most warlocks I've seen have been affliction.

Well, maybe I should rephrase my post. I'm interested in doing shadowplay arenas, and I don't think destruction would fulfill that. I'm sure there are comps where destro would work (just like every class/spec in the arena)
 
Bonjourno.

I usually run around with 35% and can usually survive the burst from rogues, just need to use your pets to your advantage. Succubus usually seems the best but unfortunately if they SDance+CloS you are more or less dead. I opt to the purplemonster to hopefully be a dickhead and get them out of stealth and abuse the shield. Or you could just go demo and only lose to skilled BiS pve rogues. The latter choice is the more fun.

All the specs to work, but affliction is more of a RBG/Arena spec as without a healer as you take a shit load of damage trying to get all DoTs up. Which is a bit of a cunt tbh. With affliction in arena, be prepared for a lot of long matches.
 
My explaining will not be the best at the moment due to creamcrackeredness.

In the pet skill tab, there is axe toss and felstorm. Literally just apply the 4 second stun from the pet about 1 second after they open so you you have a 100% chance of them not being clos'd when garrote ends. Whilst that is happening, run 16 yards away (you'll be able to judge this instinctively within a few jumps) and get ready to jump onto them for the stomp. Whilst you're sorting yourself out position wise, use your pets lolstorm to just keep hitting at it. Apply a cheeky fear during your stomp (bad rogues trinket by now). If they havent trinked, force it with fear and dot and run. By this time your pet 4sec stun cd should be running low. If you were to be an engi, you could rocket boots away (9 times out of 10 it does fuck up and not give me a parachute. Probably karma for me being a dickhead. They're a rogue so they deserve it.) I've lost where I am explaining and personally do not really want to read what I have just wrote. But im sure you have got the drift. Or at least I hope.

I will elaborate more tomorrow as I can't be arsed at the moment. It's 3am in essex and it's fucking boiling. dat fire god be h8in
 
If dotslol are talking about bg's, forget about it. There are like 2 or 3 rogues around in this bracket that DOESN'T sit in stealth in order to wait for CoS, vanish, trinket etc. Don't even bother using CD's against a rogue in BG's if you don't know he is completely shit (like most are anyway so my point kinda fails here) xd

And about the 45% resilience you want to reach seems a bit too much. I'm currently running with 711 on my druid (43.39%) and if you, as a warlock want to go that high, you'll barely have any spellpower left. Go with 35-40% or something or maybe even 30% because Soul Link is pretty wicked.

And about the specs, I'd say destro. Shadowfury is really nice, but warlocks overall have great control if played right so if you're aware of what you're doing, I guess you can play aidsspec as well.

Here is the best destrolock I've played with, and faced: Magusyo @ Outland - Game Guide - World of Warcraft

He hasn't been playing for a while, and people tell me his gear is shit but I have no idea. He has tons of haste and resilience and I guess the damage he did in 2s was fine anyway. (got to 2.2 with 100% w/l as disc/destro)
 
Vapriest said:
Because from my perspective there are no "weak" classes at 70, just classes whose skillcap is far higher to do equally well as mages/rogues for example.
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this pretty much, another thing about it is that alot of the generally considered weak classes only has good synergy with other generally considered weak classes, which means you will have problems finding partners, for example hpala + warrior, i've so far only found 1 good warrior at 70 and he quit.
 
Sparklystars said:
problems finding partners, for example hpala + warrior.
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This is true, i've only met 2 good healers so far for 2s, other healers are too used to play with faceroll mage or rogue :(
 
Dotslol said:
My explaining will not be the best at the moment due to creamcrackeredness.

In the pet skill tab, there is axe toss and felstorm. Literally just apply the 4 second stun from the pet about 1 second after they open so you you have a 100% chance of them not being clos'd when garrote ends. Whilst that is happening, run 16 yards away (you'll be able to judge this instinctively within a few jumps) and get ready to jump onto them for the stomp. Whilst you're sorting yourself out position wise, use your pets lolstorm to just keep hitting at it. Apply a cheeky fear during your stomp (bad rogues trinket by now). If they havent trinked, force it with fear and dot and run. By this time your pet 4sec stun cd should be running low. If you were to be an engi, you could rocket boots away (9 times out of 10 it does fuck up and not give me a parachute. Probably karma for me being a dickhead. They're a rogue so they deserve it.) I've lost where I am explaining and personally do not really want to read what I have just wrote. But im sure you have got the drift. Or at least I hope.

I will elaborate more tomorrow as I can't be arsed at the moment. It's 3am in essex and it's fucking boiling. dat fire god be h8in
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^ seems a pretty damn good strat to me, i would rather be affliction i find it more fun :p but thats just me and YES FINALLY MORE ESSEX PEOPLE :D /respect
 
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