viable 19 rogue alternatives?

psylocybin said:
lol



armoury me. look at my current weapon set, then look at my total lifetime kills. then tell me i havent beena around long enough to know what i'm talking about.



and then. I will tell you you are wrong. cruel barb, thiefs blade is and has been for quite some time a standard for 19 rogues even foregoing the dodge nerf. the quick light weapon offhand and stats makes thiefs a very viable weapon to this day.
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You could be around for 10 years and still not know what you're talking about.

Standard != Best Alternative

"Quick Light" doesn't mean anything because especially since the pushback nerf in 3.0.2 completely discredited TB as a good weapon in any form.
 
i lol @ you. honestly you come through here and turn some thread where someone would like to know some info into telling people they are wrong, not benefiting him in any way at all. Thanks for helping the community, you may be highly ranked on twinkinfo but that doesnt qualify you to be a douche. id like to see you go against Goma. "Some random rogue", honestly shows you are much too ignorant to understand other's views or appreciate others that have put time into WoW to become one of the best. Appreciate the useless input though, keep it up, its entertaining me.
 
koncussion said:
i lol @ you. honestly you come through here and turn some thread where someone would like to know some info into telling people they are wrong, not benefiting him in any way at all. Thanks for helping the community, you may be highly ranked on twinkinfo but that doesnt qualify you to be a douche. id like to see you go against Goma. "Some random rogue", honestly shows you are much too ignorant to understand other's views. Appreciate the useless input though, keep it up, its entertaining me.
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Yet you still ignore simple math and prove nothing.



And you call me the ignorant one.



We're discussing viable rogue alternatives here, which is exactly what I"m doing. I've explained why TB is not one of them, telling me someone uses it doesn't make it any more viable.



OH LOOK I USE A BLUE THAT HAS A FAST WEAPON SPEED ITZ GUD UZ IT.



You should stop misinforming people. I don't care if Goma is using [ITEM]Cursed Felblade[/ITEM], that doesn't mean it's good.
 
Lol

this is hilarious. honestly. how bout you show us some simple math then buddy, or i just 1v1 you so you'll be quiet?
 
koncussion said:
this is hilarious. honestly. how bout you show us some simple math then buddy, or i just 1v1 you so you'll be quiet?
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I'm guessing you missed the part where I said +2 Agility is worse than +2 Stamina and 1.3 DPS?



[ITEM]Thief's Blade[/ITEM]

[ITEM]Wingblade[/ITEM]



There's no competition.
 
yea i couldnt be bothered to read it, im surprised i still am

sent blade/scouts blade > all offhands

and yea there is competition btwn wingblade and thiefs, wingblade looks gayer than aids.
 
k when I get home I'm going to make a weapon comparison video using only offhand autoattacks and show you how ridiculous your claim is.
 
you have a nice nap? hows mrs janet? how was mulan? sure make a vid about it

so im assuming you look decently similar to your avatar irl amirite? like a really huge OP baby?



Yet you still ignore simple math and prove nothing.
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In my eyes ive proved you're a douchebag to anyone who doesn't have the same views as you.
 
Why would anyone think 2 agi is better than the 1.3 dps?? AND 2 stam? i mean come on my ally rogue drools over Wingblade. I dont see why anyone would use a TB anymore. And just becuase you have a high lifetime kill doesnt mean your amazing, seriously you just have to go to alot of bg's, you could be stinking it up the entire time, while gaining lifetime kills.
 
koncussion said:
it says that butchers > barb which it doesnt... sites bad
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uh-huh. Thats your opinion, but wheres your math? he has math.
 
my 2 cents -

how can you compare thief's blade to wingblade?



WB v TB

SPEED: 2.2 v 1.7

DPS: 15.7 v 14.4

STATS: 5agi v 7agi

2stam v Nothing



Burst is better than a fast OH in every situation. Your OH weapon is a big help to your burst, and stat stacking in OH to benefit MH isn't as viable as balancing the two. Either way, the stats can't compare. Lose .148(2AP) and miniscule crit to gain 2stam and 1.3DPS OH (still .65DPS with the 50% OH reduc)



Seems like a no-brainer to me :/
 
koncussion said:
yea i couldnt be bothered to read it, im surprised i still am

sent blade/scouts blade > all offhands

wingblade looks gayer than aids.
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1st of all - Scout's Blade?

Loses 1agi and .4dps to WB

for fast speed?



Finally - "I don’t care if it looks like a fucking floppy pink dildo, if it hits hard, I’m using it" -Drayner's EQ bud.
 
I was gone for a few hours. Looks to me like everyone but you and Goma agree that TB is terrible, which it is.



As for Butcher's > Barb, keep in mind 2 things:

1. 2 Strength = 2 AP = 1 Agility, for a rogue.

2. Main hand damage range is usually more important than DPS.



With that in mind, it's

8 AP .5 DPS vs 3 Stamina



While I agree that Cruel Barb may indeed be better than the Slicer, I can see why it's ranked higher, since Stamina is more important then pure AP for a rogue. That of course, is debateable, as well.
 
Omgimarogue said:
1st of all - Scout's Blade?

Loses 1agi and .4dps to WB

for fast speed?



Finally - "I don’t care if it looks like a fucking floppy pink dildo, if it hits hard, I’m using it" -Drayner's EQ bud.
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Fast speed which is useless since 3.0.2.

Maybe in BC Scout's was Nice, but if you're using a fast OH and sacrificing stats for it then you're really living in the past.
 
okay so i've just gotten back from a few days break and now WB totally looks so much sexier. its mine :D



iaccidentlytwink owned koncussion btw.
 
ok , i didnt read everyone posts, and the guy who started this thread prob already has his weps, but if not...



from experience as a lv 19 rogue(13K+ lifetime HKs) i have had duel barbs, shadowfang, assassins blade, WSG dagger etc... all the chants lifesteal fiery icy sader agi etc...



you want the slowest hardest hitting wep you can get, you will do more dmg... jumping around other rogue and the few chances you get to hit a hunter you want to hit as hard as possible. i still swap to my assassin blade sometime to backstab FC but..



duel barbs with agi (maybe sader in MH but agi is best, i like sader procc for +hp and AP, but dont waste money on lifesteal)

if you can't get 2 barbs cuz they can be a pain, the horde qst one has great dps/stats is an exceptable OH wep.



the only reason for fast daggers is to apply poison. 2 slow daggers and Mutiliate FTW. lv 19 SLOW = win. i was a dagger lover when i started my 19. about 5k HKs and few thousand G later i had to admit slow swords are best at 19.



unless they changes something with WotLK.. havent played 19 much after reactivating.



PS i have +24 armor on my legs of fang (naiter)

O.O

old school lol...

*epeen flex*
 
Nait said:
ok , i didnt read everyone posts, and the guy who started this thread prob already has his weps, but if not...



from experience as a lv 19 rogue(13K+ lifetime HKs) i have had duel barbs, shadowfang, assassins blade, WSG dagger etc... all the chants lifesteal fiery icy sader agi etc...



you want the slowest hardest hitting wep you can get, you will do more dmg... jumping around other rogue and the few chances you get to hit a hunter you want to hit as hard as possible. i still swap to my assassin blade sometime to backstab FC but..



duel barbs with agi (maybe sader in MH but agi is best, i like sader procc for +hp and AP, but dont waste money on lifesteal)

if you can't get 2 barbs cuz they can be a pain, the horde qst one has great dps/stats is an exceptable OH wep.



the only reason for fast daggers is to apply poison. 2 slow daggers and Mutiliate FTW. lv 19 SLOW = win. i was a dagger lover when i started my 19. about 5k HKs and few thousand G later i had to admit slow swords are best at 19.



unless they changes something with WotLK.. havent played 19 much after reactivating.



PS i have +24 armor on my legs of fang (naiter)

O.O

old school lol...

*epeen flex*
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i will agree that a slow, hard hitting weapon mainhand is needed, but you're going to want a slightly quicker offhand, due to so many misses, you want to put out as much DPS as you can with the offhand, letting your mainhand do all the 250 SS crits.



and a side note to anyone who has knowledge of, how viable is a backstab spec in 19s with a spec of something like:



Opportunity: 2

Malice: 5

Puncturing Wounds: 3



just an idea, not really sure how to spec backstab
 
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