Veteran Accounts can safely do War Games

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I asked my Dear friends MYT and Saxxon to help me test War Games under a veteran account status 19 twink.

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We also tested 2v2's (War games) in arenas, those worked as well with my XP off and my partners XP on.

So Veteran accounts can play 19 twinks in every competitive aspect.

I did not gain any XP from anything.
 

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Great job testing this.

If someone could figure out the following it would be a great help to the entire community. Currently when people queue wargames via btag they end up doing random bg's and it seems the % of time you get wsg is very low....we've all experienced 25 straight times of getting eos/ab before wsg pops. The command for that is /wg groupleadername. Now, you can add to that with /wg groupleadername [battleground] and get WSG specific BUT that means you end up with tournament rules on (so you're naked at 19 - literally. My heals healed for 20% of what they normally do). This is why we had tournament rules on - not because we only had 5. I've seen it with 10v10 before.

Here's where we need help - the full option of commands is /wg groupleadername [arena or battleground] [tournamentrules]. Nobody that I've talked to knows the syntax of the tournament rules command. I've tried "off" but that doesn't work (command is invalid). So if we can figure that out we can bypass the random stuff (which defaults to tournament rules off) and go straight to wsg with tournament rules off - making all of our lives much easier.

Yes I'm aware that we can have 19's meet in dalaran and use some jacked up mechanism to dual and queue while hitting each other (if not clustered together), or meet in ratchet and hope no high level kills you...etc. Figuring this out will mean nobody needs to go through those gyrations and can just queue.
 
Great job testing this.

If someone could figure out the following it would be a great help to the entire community. Currently when people queue wargames via btag they end up doing random bg's and it seems the % of time you get wsg is very low....we've all experienced 25 straight times of getting eos/ab before wsg pops. The command for that is /wg groupleadername. Now, you can add to that with /wg groupleadername [battleground] and get WSG specific BUT that means you end up with tournament rules on (so you're naked at 19 - literally. My heals healed for 20% of what they normally do). This is why we had tournament rules on - not because we only had 5. I've seen it with 10v10 before.

Here's where we need help - the full option of commands is /wg groupleadername [arena or battleground] [tournamentrules]. Nobody that I've talked to knows the syntax of the tournament rules command. I've tried "off" but that doesn't work (command is invalid). So if we can figure that out we can bypass the random stuff (which defaults to tournament rules off) and go straight to wsg with tournament rules off - making all of our lives much easier.

Yes I'm aware that we can have 19's meet in dalaran and use some jacked up mechanism to dual and queue while hitting each other (if not clustered together), or meet in ratchet and hope no high level kills you...etc. Figuring this out will mean nobody needs to go through those gyrations and can just queue.

Literally 25 times.
 
Great job testing this.

If someone could figure out the following it would be a great help to the entire community. Currently when people queue wargames via btag they end up doing random bg's and it seems the % of time you get wsg is very low....we've all experienced 25 straight times of getting eos/ab before wsg pops. The command for that is /wg groupleadername. Now, you can add to that with /wg groupleadername [battleground] and get WSG specific BUT that means you end up with tournament rules on (so you're naked at 19 - literally. My heals healed for 20% of what they normally do). This is why we had tournament rules on - not because we only had 5. I've seen it with 10v10 before.

Here's where we need help - the full option of commands is /wg groupleadername [arena or battleground] [tournamentrules]. Nobody that I've talked to knows the syntax of the tournament rules command. I've tried "off" but that doesn't work (command is invalid). So if we can figure that out we can bypass the random stuff (which defaults to tournament rules off) and go straight to wsg with tournament rules off - making all of our lives much easier.

Yes I'm aware that we can have 19's meet in Dalaran and use some jacked up mechanism to dual and queue while hitting each other (if not clustered together), or meet in ratchet and hope no high level kills you...etc. Figuring this out will mean nobody needs to go through those gyrations and can just queue.

This is a very annoying and tiresome problem when queueing 5v5-10-10 WSG while on different realms/factions. There is a simple and a more complicated solution. I will explain the simple one first. As you might be aware there is an add-on used to spectate war games, one that I encouraged Myrm to use for the Twink Cup. This add-on, to my surprise allows you to send war game requests specific to warsong gulch, via a 3rd party sent to each team leader over Btag. The person can then spectate the game, but the point is, it is 100% warsong every time.

The other option is one that me and my friends are very familiar with after queueing cross realm war games before Btag war game requests were available in the game. This isn't really difficult once you get the hang of it, but it is tedious in a way.

-Step One: You need to have a Death Knight or a character higher than level 19 (doesn't need to be logged on) to phase your group to Bleeding Hollow(for example).
ps: if you have someone in your group from bleeding hollow this works the same way but the high level character will no longer be required.

(You need to have one person from each group leader meet in Dalaran Sewers.)

-Step Two: As you may be aware, being in combat restricts you from phasing to another realm. So what you do if you require having a higher level from BH in the group, you have the person in Dalaran duel the opposing group leader and start a duel. During this duel they will have to be in combat, so you need to start auto attacking the other person or something similar (if you kill them, it won't work). Whilst in combat you kick the DK or higher level character from the group, and if done like I said you will not phase. you then send the war game request for warsong gulch and presto! You have completed the task at hand.
(If you have someone on BH you do it the same way except this time, the person from BH needs to be out of the group until they are dueling and in combat. They would then get invited, made group leader, and send the request the other leader.)

Long story short I think you can tell which is the easier way, just thought I'd cover every angle.
 
Good options for sure.

The spectator add on not using tournament rules implies the creator understands the syntax. If we can figure it out we can do it just as easy without having to work around.
 
i dont really get what the big deal is for most people when everyone is already subscribed

wargames arent exactly frequent enough unless youre involved in the paradox genesis/make your time circle jerk of in house wargames to make this anywhere close to an alternative to actually paying for the game. not to mention the fact that bis gear and enchants are ever changing and as long as you are unsubscribed you are preventing yourself from doing any of that
 
That's a good news for wargames whores :)

Very true but it seems to me that a large portion of the people who use Veteran toons very much enjoy the competitive aspect of their gameplay. This gives them a 2nd bracket to play in - one that will be very much based on pure competition (for them).

Also this allows Veterans the possibility of playing in the Twink Cup.
 
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i dont really get what the big deal is for most people when everyone is already subscribed

wargames arent exactly frequent enough unless youre involved in the paradox genesis/make your time circle jerk of in house wargames to make this anywhere close to an alternative to actually paying for the game. not to mention the fact that bis gear and enchants are ever changing and as long as you are unsubscribed you are preventing yourself from doing any of that

Anyone is welcome in our circle jerks. Theres no reason that MYT and Paradox should be the only ones initiating for everyone else's pleasure.

With WoW tokens one could sponsor a F2P.
 
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Anyone is welcome in our circle jerks. Theres no reason that MYT and Paradox should be the only ones initiating for everyone else's pleasure..
youre kinda missing the point here mejt

one of the many reasons 19s are hurting again is because said guilds are forever trying to steer people away from queuing and to take part in their wargames instead. i cant really begin to understand why theyre even necessary when they arent even guild vs guild to begin with so the most logical alternative would be for these people to give it up and start helping improve the overall quality of warsong gulch outside of the wargame feature
 
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From our perspective there's really never a shortage of horde....alliance get back to back games while horde can sometimes sit two out if everyone is playing. I know when we wargame other guilds and others in guild are queueing pugs they still have a wait to get in games but alliance don't. Horde attracts more noobs with 1500 health that stealth around never opening all game....no idea why.

Not to mention we've only done internal wargames a couple of times and it was legit in the sense that we have more than one team in the guild.

We queue a ton of pugs and the vast majority of the time we do wargame it's later in the evening...not earlier when queues are first popping. What I think is hurting pugs more than anything is everyone and their uncle rolling FOTM. I've been in mass games where the alliance has 3 ferals plus a bunch of other fotm and people get opened up on and one shot....so some quit when that happens. When you combine that with horde having a propensity to trash talk its own side (particularly the FCs for whatever reason, which is why they usually have none) it's just not as fun. But a ton of us queue it daily anyways.
 
youre kinda missing the point here mejt

one of the many reasons 19s are hurting again is because said guilds are forever trying to steer people away from queuing and to take part in their wargames instead. i cant really begin to understand why theyre even necessary when they arent even guild vs guild to begin with so the most logical alternative would be for these people to give it up and start helping improve the overall quality of warsong gulch outside of the wargame feature

Yeah I really don't think MYT and Paradox War Gaming are the issue with PuGs, people queue PuGs in my guild while we War Game frequently, more often than not the games Paradox participates in are PuGs.
 
Wargaming is not the challenge that PuGs are facing in 19's. It is the same challenge they have faced since 2.4 in 19's. It is just SSDD.

/cheers
 

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