Unbalance Due to Grandfathered Items

I'm reading a lot of mixed history here. Let's take a walk back down that path, and get things in their proper order.

When the No-XP patch landed, 29s got a steadily decreasing amount of XP-off games, as the battlegrounds were rife with hunters. Their damage wasn't extreme, but Aimed Shot applied a 50% healing debuff that 29 healers simply didn't have the throughput to overcome. In other words, players could do more for their teams by rolling up a hunter than rolling up a healer. That's why initial XP-off games saw so many hunters. Games died near the end of 2009.

In early 2010, a couple of players made drastic efforts to revive 29s on Reckoning (I got into the bracket as a result of this). Part of that effort included a ban on Aimed Shot. The bracket quickly grew to playing three nights a week, and the 29 community upheld the ban for months.

A few weeks before 4.0.1 dropped, 29 bracket activity tapered off, and finally stopped.

4.0.1 appeared, granting a ridiculously high damage buff all the way around. Even though Aimed Shot lost half of its power, the sheer damage of hunters, rogues, and ret paladins soon killed the reviving interest in the bracket, along with horrible queue bugs.

4.0.3 dropped, fixing the ridiculous damage problem. Battlegroups began to merge. Horrible queue bugs persisted. A few 29s paying attention to posts here in TwinkInfo and/or doing homework on changes coming in the Shattering collected gear that had grandfathering potential.

4.0.3a arrived three weeks after 4.0.3, grandfathering several items in the 29 bracket, including the quest that offered the skullbreaker and nailsplitter.

The queue bugs got fixed in a subsequent patch, and while 29s had a decent run for a couple of months, endless complaining and criticism killed the bracket a couple of times over.

Donteventrii does have the nailsplitter, but hasn't played his hunter (to my knowledge) since soon after the weapon got grandfathered, after seeing the ridiculous amount of damage it could do. The gun would actually have been BiS for 39s if any of them had gotten it -- that's how strong it is. I think a total of three 29 players, all currently Horde, actually got the nailsplitter, none of whom use it on the field.

There's a synopsis of 29s over the last couple of years (leaving out a ton of details, of course).

It's good to see 29s working their schedule back up. I'm hoping that in a couple of weeks, 29s will expand to a second night. If last week's close games are any indicator, the potential is there.
 
So my post is the TL;DR for yours then?
 
You are missing the part post XP off pre AS ban when games were popping in multiples 15 hours a day when everybody came to reckoning mostly due to the effort of crits
 
Glass Shooters funded me a shaman. That's how I found my way into the Reckoning* scene.
 
i can remember when glass shooter formed, being a skywall native it killed off my solo agm runs on my 39's. then i rolled a 29 and played one game after 39's went nightfall and i quit. now that ive played this bracket a little longer it isnt bad at all if the number of hunters isnt crazy. Id rather play this then 19 lol
 
Id rather play this then 19 lol
Not exactly a ringing endorsement.

Grandfathered gear isn't that bad I was perfectly fine taking off all of mine when we had a grandfathered gear ban, only mongoose skullbreakers and nailsplitter hunters have a significant impact, even then its not terrible.
 
i can remember when glass shooter formed, being a skywall native it killed off my solo agm runs on my 39's. then i rolled a 29 and played one game after 39's went nightfall and i quit. now that ive played this bracket a little longer it isnt bad at all if the number of hunters isnt crazy. Id rather play this then 19 lol

That's the spirit!
 
Not exactly a ringing endorsement.

Grandfathered gear isn't that bad I was perfectly fine taking off all of mine when we had a grandfathered gear ban, only mongoose skullbreakers and nailsplitter hunters have a significant impact, even then its not terrible.

I'll keep saying it, I still feel like i hit like a wet noodle with skullbreaker. I don't believe I can kill anyone in under 3-4 GCDs on a good day against a clothie.

Against a holy paladin or someone geared like you are, we are talking about 10 seconds or more of mashing hemo.
 
My hunter isn't even on my primary account, and that account is inactive. Zula has one that he doesn't play. The other guy quit. Ohai, you act like Mongoose procs + crits don't happen. You will notice a difference without SB.

Main thing about SB is that most of the people that have it and don't need an extra advantage. Trying to simultaneously convince all of them to drop GF weaps was difficult but done. Though as soon as Bern didn't want to respect the rules, the peace fell apart.

Right now things are fine, thread necro is a necro.
 
So my post is the TL;DR for yours then?

You're right. I got confused and misread the "continually every night for weeks" part of your post as happening after the revival in early 2010, not immediately after the patch in 2009.

I didn't know crits had worked that hard for games just after the no-XP patch, nor how successful he was. Thank you for filling in that info, Soskanky.
 
i can remember when glass shooter formed, being a skywall native it killed off my solo agm runs on my 39's. then i rolled a 29 and played one game after 39's went nightfall and i quit. now that ive played this bracket a little longer it isnt bad at all if the number of hunters isnt crazy. Id rather play this then 19 lol

you should /spit on me more...... def makes me wanna play something other than my hunter

/violin
 
you should /spit on me more...... def makes me wanna play something other than my hunter

/violin
^.^ i will, ill just have to rename the macro so i can find it again
 
*plays alliance fc first few games*
*steamrolls easy wins cuz horde is short dps*
*switches sides to help balance games*
*gets emoted by alliance*

if anybody should be getting spit on its the players that only play one faction even though you all play in a bracket where either side could need help on any given night..... especially players with 90% finished horde toons they havent touched since hitting 29....

obvious solution to this quandry? reroll hunter and act like child
 
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my shaman is far from 90% finished, ive logged on a few times since the bracket started getting games again but get tired of waiting in que. its ok though im rolling an alliance hunter so i can fit in. I spit once becuase i hit the wrong button, i was actually looking for my hug macro but the violen was a nice touch :)

Oh i was also expecting this on the blizz forums, im kind of dissapointed
 
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i usually try to be civil, and this is like the 20th time i said i was rolling a hunter but i still show up on a warrior. that was my megumi macro i forgot i had it bound.
 

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