Unbalance Due to Grandfathered Items
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Kirise
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While I can't speak for the actual bracket itself in the EU (since I'm in the US), I can tell you from a stats perspective about grandfathered items and class potential.
Most grandfathered items have little impact. In all, they might come out to the equivalent impact of a Rumsey Rum in total stats difference. Nice, but not game breaking by any means.
Two exceptions in the form of weapons: skullbreaker and nailsplitter. They bring significantly higher stats to the table, and while they won't break a battleground, they do make an impact.
That said, unless you're facing an entire team full of skullbreakers and nailspitters (I think only three twinkers even got the nailsplitter in the US), it won't break your game not to have it.
Hunters are extremely strong in 29s, and paladins do very well too. Warlocks struggle on their own -- they find much more success as a support class in 29s.
Most grandfathered items have little impact. In all, they might come out to the equivalent impact of a Rumsey Rum in total stats difference. Nice, but not game breaking by any means.
Two exceptions in the form of weapons: skullbreaker and nailsplitter. They bring significantly higher stats to the table, and while they won't break a battleground, they do make an impact.
That said, unless you're facing an entire team full of skullbreakers and nailspitters (I think only three twinkers even got the nailsplitter in the US), it won't break your game not to have it.
Hunters are extremely strong in 29s, and paladins do very well too. Warlocks struggle on their own -- they find much more success as a support class in 29s.
#Stunt
Legend
If you don't have a char yet, better think of another class. Hunters are way too OP so it's not real fun to play.
Palas feel nice, having great usability. So I'd recommend you to make a pala.
Kirise
OG
While it's not complete, you can peruse some armories for the US 29 bracket at http://49pvp.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=106 which may help give you some idea of what players use.
Vianco
Legend
shanker
OG
alot of items other than skullbreaker and nailsplitter.are GF'd
Ironspine's Fist - Item - World of Warcraft and Loksey's Training Stick - Item - World of Warcraft where once 35+ items but not useable at 29, players who researched and farmed them for CATA prepatch had them enchanted and ready, waiting till they could equip them
and there are other older BF weapons that once were 35+ like Windstorm Hammer - Item - World of Warcraft that players have mongoose on and some still are Crescent of Forlorn Spirits - Item - World of Warcraft and Bleeding Crescent - Item - World of Warcraft
there is also some killer rings GF that were greens and got killer buffed to blues...but removed from the game
IMO, Nail Spitter - Item - World of Warcraft is way too OP for the bracket, this is one of the reasons for this bracket suffered and failed especially with this weapon. even without this weapon hunters are in their prime is this bracket, shadow priest can take them down, but they are rarely rolled
Ironspine's Fist - Item - World of Warcraft and Loksey's Training Stick - Item - World of Warcraft where once 35+ items but not useable at 29, players who researched and farmed them for CATA prepatch had them enchanted and ready, waiting till they could equip them
and there are other older BF weapons that once were 35+ like Windstorm Hammer - Item - World of Warcraft that players have mongoose on and some still are Crescent of Forlorn Spirits - Item - World of Warcraft and Bleeding Crescent - Item - World of Warcraft
there is also some killer rings GF that were greens and got killer buffed to blues...but removed from the game
IMO, Nail Spitter - Item - World of Warcraft is way too OP for the bracket, this is one of the reasons for this bracket suffered and failed especially with this weapon. even without this weapon hunters are in their prime is this bracket, shadow priest can take them down, but they are rarely rolled
iaccidentallytwink
Guild Master
Can't believe you're still linking thottbot.
shanker
OG
thottbot is wowhead
you drive down the street in a toyota...holler at the driver next to you...."CAN'T BELIEVE YOU'RE DRIVING A SCION"?
willix
Legend
Unless you're talking about EU, this simply was not true in the US. Of the few hunters that were in the bracket, none of them were using GF weapons because they were made during Cata. The 29s bracket died in the US because the alliance fielded really good players that just dominated the horde, so the horde stopped queuing.
Coincidentally, none of the alliance players had GF items at that time. Many of them also did not have AGM or DMH.
shanker
OG
many hunters in 29 had and have nailsplitters in the US several may be burried in this forum thread and most were alliance
one was donteventrii, a ugly ass female dwarf hunter who i think later switched to horde, i would open on this player and a scatter, DE, exp-shot, and one arcane and i was dead. there were several NE hunters with it too. the burst and damage of that gun is huge.
i was playing a horde 29 rogue, and had a pal, war, and hunter in the bracket too. 3 of them are no longer 29's. i would like to play but the day selected doesn't fit a ideal time for me
even with the migration of many players the bracket was failing prior to the XP on/off patch, of course after that patch, had some spurts after blizz merged battlegroups. overall the main killer of the bracket was hunters not just factions
the complaints and issues should still be in this forum thread
and yes maybe nailsplitters are less of a issue now
one was donteventrii, a ugly ass female dwarf hunter who i think later switched to horde, i would open on this player and a scatter, DE, exp-shot, and one arcane and i was dead. there were several NE hunters with it too. the burst and damage of that gun is huge.
i was playing a horde 29 rogue, and had a pal, war, and hunter in the bracket too. 3 of them are no longer 29's. i would like to play but the day selected doesn't fit a ideal time for me
even with the migration of many players the bracket was failing prior to the XP on/off patch, of course after that patch, had some spurts after blizz merged battlegroups. overall the main killer of the bracket was hunters not just factions
the complaints and issues should still be in this forum thread
and yes maybe nailsplitters are less of a issue now
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Ohai
OG
I don't know how much more wrong you could be.
I believe every nailspitter (there cant be more than a half dozen) is on horde side. No one uses them. Someone correct me if theres an alliance nailspitter i can't think of. The bracket was running strong previous to (when reckoning was determined to be the new home of 29s) the xp off patch, and after the patch for multiple months.
I remember I transferred with some friends a week or two after the XP-off patch or so, and games were going continually every night for weeks. Arenas every night etc. Activity slowed down, and has stopped maybe 3 or so times since. It tends to pick back up between February-March until around August-September of each year from what I've seen. I think it has been a bit less successful of a return each time, not really getting past 4 nights a week during any of them since the month or two after XP-off patch.
Edit - Additionally,
What has continually in my opinion killed the bracket is the complaining, combined with the fact that there really is a seemingly hardcore-raider versus casual-raider attitude on alliance and horde side respectively just in terms of finished gear (DMH, AGM), maxed professions, and skill. Or maybe its just grandfathered items, who knows.