Twinking as we know it
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you guys must understand this...
a game can still be won even if their is fully twinked on the other side...
i have no fishing gears and no AGM.
but right now with leg and shoulders... i have about 1800 HP and i switched a few enchants to get more AP.
i can tlel you this... after 3.1 comes live....
i'll still be having about the same HP and be having the same AP.
lots more gears comes to mind... you lose the chants... but we gain better gears !
not to mention more ARMOR at 19 means less damage received !
thus more survival !
a game can still be won even if their is fully twinked on the other side...
i have no fishing gears and no AGM.
but right now with leg and shoulders... i have about 1800 HP and i switched a few enchants to get more AP.
i can tlel you this... after 3.1 comes live....
i'll still be having about the same HP and be having the same AP.
lots more gears comes to mind... you lose the chants... but we gain better gears !
not to mention more ARMOR at 19 means less damage received !
thus more survival !
Zuty
Lord of the Black Flame
I've pretty much already stated my stance on 3.1, but lets hear it again.
-Leg Kits, cya.
-Exploits being fixed, TY Blizz. Finally doing something right.
-Profession Buffs being balanced back to normal, TY Blizz.
-Librams, A bit below the belt
-Fishing Boots, OUCH. Why not do what Mother Goose said "Make the boots iLvl lower then 35 so no TBC chants can go on it."
-Hunters, yeah that's gonna be difficult but I predict that in 2-3 more patches you will have a new class to hate.
Losing Fishing Boots is good because now you will focus on new gear that is specific to your class. And I have seen some really good twinks who don't have the fishing boots. Although, if I had put all the tireless weeks into getting these boots I would be hella pissed.
Fishing Boots/Hat and AGM are the best part of being a twink, its like a landmark on your journey, your epic endgame gear if you will. Taking that away from a twink is like taking away a raiders tier because they can beat non-tier wearers in a duel. (or maybe they are doing Naxx, or whatever raid instance is popular right now, to fast, unfair to the other guilds) Its not even 'like' that it IS exactly that.
I'm sorry, I normally don't talk so rude but ... If your not wiling to put as much work into twinking as everyone else kindly STFU and GTFO of my BG.
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~Zuty
-Leg Kits, cya.
-Exploits being fixed, TY Blizz. Finally doing something right.
-Profession Buffs being balanced back to normal, TY Blizz.
-Librams, A bit below the belt
-Fishing Boots, OUCH. Why not do what Mother Goose said "Make the boots iLvl lower then 35 so no TBC chants can go on it."
-Hunters, yeah that's gonna be difficult but I predict that in 2-3 more patches you will have a new class to hate.
Losing Fishing Boots is good because now you will focus on new gear that is specific to your class. And I have seen some really good twinks who don't have the fishing boots. Although, if I had put all the tireless weeks into getting these boots I would be hella pissed.
Fishing Boots/Hat and AGM are the best part of being a twink, its like a landmark on your journey, your epic endgame gear if you will. Taking that away from a twink is like taking away a raiders tier because they can beat non-tier wearers in a duel. (or maybe they are doing Naxx, or whatever raid instance is popular right now, to fast, unfair to the other guilds) Its not even 'like' that it IS exactly that.
I'm sorry, I normally don't talk so rude but ... If your not wiling to put as much work into twinking as everyone else kindly STFU and GTFO of my BG.
</End Rant>
~Zuty
Druiddroid
OG
/shrug, if you want to do that go to 80.Zuty said:
they are the worst part of a twink. i have them all on my account, and it wasn't a pleasure to get them.
hm? i don't see why i should 'GTFO' when i'm not really complaining about how you have better gear than me. you worked for it, good job. no need to tell me to gtfo, it's the 10-19 bracket. besides, the amount of twinks that have perfect gear (exploits, shoulder enchants, 2 450 professions, fishing gear, perfect enchants/gear in general) is pretty slim.
i'm just happy 3.1 will make twinking much fairer. not much of a gear grind anymore either.
Eax
OG
Expect to see many more skilled level 80 players make heirloom twinks. Expect the quality of the pugs to increase quite a bit, and expect activity to increase quite a bit as well, regardless of all the people who report that they are quitting. You will be missing out on an entire new era of the 19 bracket in particular...if that doesn't seem appealing to you...then I feel sorry for you. The prospect of something new always appeals to me...
IMO--Let's all hope for a 3.2 that makes druids the most OP force of the 19 bracket. Go.
IMO--Let's all hope for a 3.2 that makes druids the most OP force of the 19 bracket. Go.
Druiddroid
OG
Unstablle said:
it doesn't take it away at all
if you're looking for accomplishments, level to 80 and go from there.
Unstablle
OG
Druiddroid said:
nah, i dont want to play 80. twinking is what is fun to me. and yes it does take away a feeling of accomplishment once you make a twink in 3.1. its just buying a few enchants that are practically nothing (im not complaining about that), doing a couple runs, and heading into BGs. the side objective of fishing each sunday is what makes you dedicated, setting that time away each sunday to try and get the best possible gear at your level. seeing a twink with the fishing hat and seeing one with nothing/engi goggles is two different things - you see that they put in a tie commitment as well as being lucky to get that hat. it shows that they worked for it, and they dont just go on their twinks after raiding to own noobs.
when i got my hat, i took the 3 stam loss for a few days until i got my libram on it because its so awesome to finally get one after over 2 years of fishing. makes it so much more fun when the objectives are hard to accomplish.
Druiddroid
OG
Unstablle said:
well, if you want a sense of accomplishment, you can do things other than tediously farming for fishing gear.
you know what makes you a dedicated twink? it's playing in the BGs. it's getting thousands of HKs. it's trying to win every game you're in. it's trying your best to learn how to get better. that's dedication.
anyone can go on sunday and come out with a fishing hat and fishing boots. i've shown my enthusiasm for perfection on some toons, but don't have the hat nor boots, and then on one of my toons i got the hat and boots within 20 casts of each other on the 3rd hour of fishing.
Unstablle
OG
Druiddroid said:
well yeah i know that most of the dedication of twinking comes from doing battlegrounds, being successful in them, etc. but having a sign of your dedication to twinking as a whole, whether it be fishing gear, buying TCG stuff for your twink or whatever, really makes twinking alot more enjoyable.
Druiddroid
OG
Unstablle said:
it's not enjoyable to fish for a year and not get fishing gear.
i mean really, if you get so much pleasure from getting hard-to-achieve items, i don't see why you don't like 80.
Druiddroid
OG
Ramune said:
in comparison to gaining fishing gear, yes.
Zuty
Lord of the Black Flame
Druiddroid said:
Sorry, that was not aimed towards anyone on these forums and especially not you Druid. Just reading the Official WoW forums and all I hear is level 80's QQing saying how there alts are getting owned in BG when they quickly que up for a game just because they are bored of leveling.
It takes time to make a good character, as is relevant at the level cap (Raid/PVP for the best of the best gear by grinding honor or instances for weeks or you'll never be good) You can't expect to go from 1-X9, que up for a BG, and have the potential to own everyone in your path. If you put the effort into getting the best gear you shouldn't have a problem. And the great part is since your a low level you'll rarely need to upgrade your gear. Sure you may have 1-2 sets of gear at your disposal, but that gear won't be outdated and have you grinding for days on end for new gear.
When your done with your gear you can just sit back and PVP, thats why I think twinking appeals to so many people. It may sound easy, but it is a road paved with sleepless hours, blood, and tears. Patch 3.1 just makes it easier for a player to acquire the best gear, which by all means is fine with me (Once again, I am sorry for your Fishing Boot lose ...) but it will spawn a generation of new 'lazy twinks' as Ramune pointed out earlier.
I miss the good ol' days or DWing Fiery on +3 Agi daggers as much as the next guy, but there was effort put into getting those daggers and whether that meant grinding gold on your main to pay for the mats or farming instances for the daggers themselves, you still worked for them. Of course you will still be able to do this to an extent, but this is a hit below the belt for almost every player. I am sure we will all move on and accept these changes; some people may leave for other games or to deal with real life issues, but who knows; maybe in 6 months they will come back to WoW to tackle the new twinking scene.
I'd hate to live in a generation rules by idiots who just rolled out of the starting zone; lets reclaim our throne the best we can.
~Zuty
seriously...
getting things is part of the fun part of getting your twink good, then why is it that most people brag about BOA being unfair to them cause they dont want to play wrath or BC ? i grinded myself to 80, i played and had fun in it, still am having fun. but i like my 19 twink, and the shoulders are actually quite an addition to the ever used by all including those who didn't need them, Talbar Mantle !
finally these shoulders gives to every class a chance at getting what they actually need for that slot instead of going random with shoulders they don't need ! so i really wonder why people brag about BOA that much.
try leveling a twink without friends, without money, without anything... sorry but its impossible to gain full benefit. so why bother, i say to people like those. buy the damn game, even if you dislike it, grind yourself even if you dislike leveling. in the end its all worth it !
btw i am with those too lazy to get fishing gears even after fishing for 3 weeks to gain them. i am also to those who dislikes leveling a charcater. i like creating it, i like gearing him up, but i dislikes to have to grind weeks on end to get something or worse having a chance at something ! just so you know, we can only do a raid once a week at 80. my DK is at that point, once a week i do those raids and hope with my fingers crossed to finally gain the item i need.
i think that's what killing the game for most high level players like me.
i like PVP cause you don't need to wait the week, you just go ion have fun killing people while gaining your money to get what ya want ! its easy its fun and its able to be done alone !
PS:
6 weeks farming VOA, OS and NAXX...
nothing for me ! oh well 2 things did, but in 25 man raids, you're bound to have somebody else barge in and /roll it up in your face !
getting things is part of the fun part of getting your twink good, then why is it that most people brag about BOA being unfair to them cause they dont want to play wrath or BC ? i grinded myself to 80, i played and had fun in it, still am having fun. but i like my 19 twink, and the shoulders are actually quite an addition to the ever used by all including those who didn't need them, Talbar Mantle !
finally these shoulders gives to every class a chance at getting what they actually need for that slot instead of going random with shoulders they don't need ! so i really wonder why people brag about BOA that much.
try leveling a twink without friends, without money, without anything... sorry but its impossible to gain full benefit. so why bother, i say to people like those. buy the damn game, even if you dislike it, grind yourself even if you dislike leveling. in the end its all worth it !
btw i am with those too lazy to get fishing gears even after fishing for 3 weeks to gain them. i am also to those who dislikes leveling a charcater. i like creating it, i like gearing him up, but i dislikes to have to grind weeks on end to get something or worse having a chance at something ! just so you know, we can only do a raid once a week at 80. my DK is at that point, once a week i do those raids and hope with my fingers crossed to finally gain the item i need.
i think that's what killing the game for most high level players like me.
i like PVP cause you don't need to wait the week, you just go ion have fun killing people while gaining your money to get what ya want ! its easy its fun and its able to be done alone !
PS:
6 weeks farming VOA, OS and NAXX...
nothing for me ! oh well 2 things did, but in 25 man raids, you're bound to have somebody else barge in and /roll it up in your face !
Druiddroid
OG
Zuty said:
there are already lazy twinks out there.
from what i've noticed most players that have near-perfect or perfect gear play the BG. skillwise, they differ, but typically they try to win the game. the people that have a hunter or rogue with clefthide are typically people who try to farm people that don't have up-to-par gear with them (hence why they sit below the GY).
there's always going to be lazy twinks. but there will also always be puggers. i think the amount of lazy twinks will decrease as the patch hits because their full defias dual fiery rogue with clefthide won't be able to kill puggers as easily. most lazy twinks play just to kill puggers.
yesugie
OG
Zuty said:
I agree with this with 3.1 there will be about 800 new items of loot for lvl80's to go back to grinding, if they want to mess with low lvl mechanic's give us more then a some new boots and shoulders to get excited about give us viable option to replace some of the survivability we lose, i agree 4k hp FC's is silly but i have issues with the total change they are bring in, the should have phased this over a couple of patches to give people time to adapt and change play styles and gear and reroll if needed.
The "Masses" don't like change on the whole you need to get there feet wet before you push them under the water.
i don't agree on this one...
making it over a certain number of patches wouldn'T have changed the outcome !
its better to change things right away then let it build up, hence why people brag that much, they have left a lot of things unchangeds for years now people thought of it as part of it, thus now when they get away with it... people are not happy.
i think its bettter to have the full boot now and get back few things later then just remove them one by one each patch !
making it over a certain number of patches wouldn'T have changed the outcome !
its better to change things right away then let it build up, hence why people brag that much, they have left a lot of things unchangeds for years now people thought of it as part of it, thus now when they get away with it... people are not happy.
i think its bettter to have the full boot now and get back few things later then just remove them one by one each patch !