twinking a dk?
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Blacksnake
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As a REAL 59 DK twink, I can attest that twinking a DK is extremely fun. I have 10.4k hp unbuffed in frost presence and because of large amounts of percentage based self healing, I finish most fights at full health, even against multiple other DK's. In my opinion, a well geared 59 blood DK is as close to dominance as one can get as far as twinking is concerned.
EDIT: 30 seconds out of every minute, I have 12k+ hp thanks to VB. Highest HP I have gotten is 16k with VB, PW: fort, Kings, and battle standard.
EDIT: 30 seconds out of every minute, I have 12k+ hp thanks to VB. Highest HP I have gotten is 16k with VB, PW: fort, Kings, and battle standard.
actually that's where you're wrong...
proof is that in 3.1 they will change many aspect of the talent trees and spells of many classes. if they didn'tcared they wouldn'T have changed the way the tiers works. they said it themselves that next patch is a PVP patch cause they ruined it without even noticing. its hard to make a game without noticing how th eplayer abuse your doings. but once you see it you either deal with it or change things again. with 3.1 they decided to change things radically !
i just can'T wait to see what will happen, i'm quite sure the 59+ are still screwed but we'll see !
proof is that in 3.1 they will change many aspect of the talent trees and spells of many classes. if they didn'tcared they wouldn'T have changed the way the tiers works. they said it themselves that next patch is a PVP patch cause they ruined it without even noticing. its hard to make a game without noticing how th eplayer abuse your doings. but once you see it you either deal with it or change things again. with 3.1 they decided to change things radically !
i just can'T wait to see what will happen, i'm quite sure the 59+ are still screwed but we'll see !
Blacksnake
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I'm actually looking forward to 3.1 No more HB for 59 frost DK's for one. Also I plan to get the new Death Strike talent, glyph, and runic power mastery for insane DS heals on top of my already OP self healing.
Magrim
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ArthurianKnight said:
Nope, messing with the lower tiers has no indication that they were trying to change things for lower level brackets. For starters they moved higher stuff lower, which means they are giving higher level players different options at the top. Then they are also moving the lower stuff so that people can combine with 61/0/10.
As far as EoTS goes I would double check that. The two weeks before the expac came out and they released the new talents my 69 warrior got stuck with 61-70s and it totally ruined the bg for me. I figured they did it because it was one that starts at 61, so for it to start for the other bracket it would need to be up to 70 so the other one would be 71-79 but maybe they normalized, I would really like to know...
Magrim, saying blizzard do not know about us twinking would be completely wrong, they been knowing since day one and they haven't done anything real against us. they have a minimum for us, a minimum they don't want us to go lower then. simply said contrary to popular believe, blizzard likes Twinking, has it brings competition to the game and it is exactly what the PVP part is all about. of course they got a maximum that they don't want us to go by. and that's what they are after when they nerf things.
they just don't want us to be able to kill level 40 with a level 19 twink now are they ?
by making lower tiers more availlable, they are making 2 hits with one stone. they are giving higher level players more choices, but they also give us lower players new option which keeps us going ! that's the way i think. its all about balance, getting the best gears is all part of how this game is played there would be madness to get this out of th egame, nobody would play it anymore. the only thing to worry about is if we go too far and get things that would allow us to kill way higher levels ! that's what they are trying to prevent.
would be so easy to kill twink if they truly wanted... everything we use would simply be denied or make the twinks not able to use enchants at all like enchants availlable for the 20+ or the 30+ heck the fastest way to kill twinks would be gaining XP in BG that would completely wreck the twinks and bring BGs and PVP to a way higher level as people would be doing that more often so queue times would go down quite a bit.
if they haven't do that still its simply because they like to see us go at it and make competition at lower levels.
they just don't want us to be able to kill level 40 with a level 19 twink now are they ?
by making lower tiers more availlable, they are making 2 hits with one stone. they are giving higher level players more choices, but they also give us lower players new option which keeps us going ! that's the way i think. its all about balance, getting the best gears is all part of how this game is played there would be madness to get this out of th egame, nobody would play it anymore. the only thing to worry about is if we go too far and get things that would allow us to kill way higher levels ! that's what they are trying to prevent.
would be so easy to kill twink if they truly wanted... everything we use would simply be denied or make the twinks not able to use enchants at all like enchants availlable for the 20+ or the 30+ heck the fastest way to kill twinks would be gaining XP in BG that would completely wreck the twinks and bring BGs and PVP to a way higher level as people would be doing that more often so queue times would go down quite a bit.
if they haven't do that still its simply because they like to see us go at it and make competition at lower levels.
Magrim
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ArthurianKnight said:
So lets get this straight, your proof that they care about the lower level brackets is that they've done absolutely nothing to hinder or help the lower level brackets?
(they actually are starting to do some stuff next patch and they are definitely nerfs this is not a sign that blizzard "likes twinking". PErsonally I dont think they care one bit but I think all the QQ's from levelers have finally added up to the point where there will be a few nerfs.)
Conrose
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Blizzard typically does not balance talents based on lower level twinking brackets. Though a few exceptions did exist (The dodge talent for rogues being moved deeper into Combat is one example), they generally balance talents based on end game PvE and PvP... though often times this has a substantial effect on lower tier twinking. An example was the moving of Scattershot (Considered a cornerstone PvP talent for all specs) to the 11 point SV Slot increased its availability to BM Hunters, and just a little inconvent for MM Hunters to get it back on their toolbar. This just happened to give 29 Hunters access to two strong PvP talents (Aimed Shot being the other), albeit not at the same time. Now the big thing on the stat changes on lower level gear has been primarily changing spirit to hit, and adding hit rating to new gear. This is not a strictly PvP stat, nor is it really PvP oriented. I see this as move to further buff player's ability to level, I know many warlocks and mages that curse whenever a control spell missing (Sometimes several times in a row) gets them killed and lose time on a corpse run. It just happens that hit rating is considered pretty valuable by twinks as well.
Cheehh
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idk u cud run MC to get a better wep like the Hand of rag or DualWeild and get a thunderfury....can DK DW and 59? but idk bout gear wise the best u can get is prolly the quest crap the give u. IDK thats alot of MC + u need a shit ton of luck
(i have a Hand of rag on my Druid rofl,i got wen i was 3manin MC for the rep)
(i have a Hand of rag on my Druid rofl,i got wen i was 3manin MC for the rep)
Magrim
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Cheehh said:
Those are level 60 req items.
So far what I have found that's better is a trinket, a pair of shoulders, a chest(for more dps). And that's about all I have had exp for.
Vengeance of Illidari
Jade Warrior Pauldrons
Protectorate Breastplate
Battlemaster's Breastplate
Perfectly Balanced Cape
Haven't been able to come up with the exp past the protectorate but probably possible if you did everything else dead.
I don't think there is a viable spec for a DK dualwield at 59 but there's a few one handers you can get that are quested and WotLK chantable.
Wingman
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I'm guessing this is Blacksnake. Just a guess.
Sparhawk
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Magrim said:
Nah, he's referring to changes Blizz put through, oh, what was it, 2.3?
Bunch of lowlevel (1-59ish) gear got converted. Spirit on lots of leather/mail got changed to hit/agi/stam/str; agi/str on cloth got converted to spellpower/??.
Thing that pisses me off is they didn't change Grubbis Paws. Of all the things that got changed in the 29 bracket, there were 2 or 3 blue leather items that got spirit converted stam or agi (and only 1 of 4 leatherwearers in that bracket had absolutly no use for spirit), but the mail Grubbis Paws, of which 1 of 2 had absolutly no use for spirit, and the other had minimal use, got left alone.
The haphazardness of Blizzard's changes are what piss me off most, I think. Hell, in the 49 bracket they changed one of the 3 plate chestpieces of note to melee DPS. It WAS str/stam/spellpower or something I believe, ideal for paladins (at the time), and there was already 2 other melee chests that were roughly equal. So stupid
*mutter mutter mutter*
i wonder how DK can go in AV while being 55 sucky green geared while they are hated by all factions including the guys who manage the portal to AV ?
seriously, DK can start going out at 58 only, at that point they have all talent points, and all blue gears ! before that its impossible to get into anything !
seriously, DK can start going out at 58 only, at that point they have all talent points, and all blue gears ! before that its impossible to get into anything !