MarzRider
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We were just trying to spice things up. Get some livelihood going.
To AP Horde Chat : Have Some Respect
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We were just trying to spice things up. Get some livelihood going.
youakim
Guest
You can have my stuff
Swoops
Legend
Yeah, I wouldn't have posted that if I realized it actually bothered anyone, I found it hilarious. Hard to convey joking tone in text :/
Mightybit
Legend
A few bad apples ....normally i'm optimistic when it comes to the weight of a community settling these matters. However, there’s a lot of turnover happening right now, and unfortunately the result seems to be a declared necessity by more “established” players to come down hard on the troublemakers. Frankly though, I’ve witnessed plenty of nasty behavior from older players as well. While banning may be a natural (and oftentimes desirable) decision, it will not in the end improve things, because it doesn’t change the following:
- players are moving on (bored with f2p, busy with real life, etc)
- too many new players with fewer older ones leading to an “us” vs “them” situation
- as more older players become frustrated and leave or change servers or whatever, others follow suit and it becomes a cycle
- changes in mop may lead to further attrition, as well as the upcoming GW2 release
- people like who they like and want to play with those people
I’ve played ap alliance now for about 8 months and it just makes me sad to log on nowadays; it’s not the fault of new players, it’s just that the dynamic has so drastically changed. I know horde is there – but do I care enough? So I’ll continue to play on my no-name server, and the ptr. When the ptr is over, I’ll consider subscribing, though I thought I’d never say that. I won't say I've given up totally on AP, but I'm damn close.
- players are moving on (bored with f2p, busy with real life, etc)
- too many new players with fewer older ones leading to an “us” vs “them” situation
- as more older players become frustrated and leave or change servers or whatever, others follow suit and it becomes a cycle
- changes in mop may lead to further attrition, as well as the upcoming GW2 release
- people like who they like and want to play with those people
I’ve played ap alliance now for about 8 months and it just makes me sad to log on nowadays; it’s not the fault of new players, it’s just that the dynamic has so drastically changed. I know horde is there – but do I care enough? So I’ll continue to play on my no-name server, and the ptr. When the ptr is over, I’ll consider subscribing, though I thought I’d never say that. I won't say I've given up totally on AP, but I'm damn close.
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Gulbon
Legend
I'm a Moon Guardian F2P, and I was going to go Aerie Peak Horde for a bit, but I don't know if I want to go anymore. I made a character there a few days ago and the same thing happened. I just wanted to test the community there.
I saw some "famous" TI people troll people as well, and I wasn't pleased. I want a good Horde community, and Aerie Peak seems to be the ONLY Horde community on the US. I might just stay Alliance after what I saw, unless you guys step up your act.
I am an open minded person, and I am okay with alot of chat and alot of subjects, some being crude, but insults and trolls and religion/politics flying about in chat discourages me, and many other players, to join your community. I may try again, but if I see too much more of this crap, I'm hunting all APs down in the Gulch on my feral. <3
I saw some "famous" TI people troll people as well, and I wasn't pleased. I want a good Horde community, and Aerie Peak seems to be the ONLY Horde community on the US. I might just stay Alliance after what I saw, unless you guys step up your act.
I am an open minded person, and I am okay with alot of chat and alot of subjects, some being crude, but insults and trolls and religion/politics flying about in chat discourages me, and many other players, to join your community. I may try again, but if I see too much more of this crap, I'm hunting all APs down in the Gulch on my feral. <3
MarzRider
Legend
why hunt down all AP?
Bowwow
Legend
So stop! One of the greatest parts of f2p is being killed .
I didn't log on this afternoon cuse I didn't want the drama. If the new people want to kill AP just do it. All I can say is fuck you..
jgov
Legend
oh i see,you tell me to stop when it's already ended and then say you didn't want drama but then proceed to say "fuck you", that makes sense.
youakim
Guest
hanir is best
jgov
Legend
lol...
Waterworks
Moooderator
While I'm happy to say I haven't witnessed anything to the degree you describe in the OP, I have however seen a lot of petty things that frankly don't belong in the F2P chat. If you have an issue with the way someone is geared (not that it should matter to you anyways) or how a duel was played out (countless times I've seen hunter vs hunter flame), take it to whispers. Nobody in chat needs to hear it, not to mention it doesn't take long for other people to get dragged into it, and things get nasty.
I'll admit I've had twitchy moments in the past where a ban would have seemed justified, when I held the all-powerful moderator status on AP (simply for having created a toon months before I brought it into use). However, having co-led a guild at one time, I realise the dangers of swinging the ban hammer, and sometimes it's your own fingers that get crushed. I think a better idea would be to establish guidelines for behaviour in the chat. This is purely an idea, but the following might do some good. Again, just my thoughts.
1) Establishing a group of players to field concerns from other players. I'm not talking an Aerie Peak gestapo, but rather dedicated individuals on the server who can take into consideration concerns that players have about the conduct of individuals. The roles of those volunteering would be similar to guild officers.
2) Issuing warnings - if a player in the AP chat is being offensive, abusive, racist, etc., take a screenshot(s) of the event to document it, and send it to one of the "officers". The officers could then give the player in question an opportunity to explain themselves, and give them a warning, that upon the next incident, a ban will be issued.
3) If a player continues to misuse the F2P chat, they will be banned.
I know this is a very rough idea, and I'm sure it will have some critics, but I'd like to gauge some opinions on it.
I'll admit I've had twitchy moments in the past where a ban would have seemed justified, when I held the all-powerful moderator status on AP (simply for having created a toon months before I brought it into use). However, having co-led a guild at one time, I realise the dangers of swinging the ban hammer, and sometimes it's your own fingers that get crushed. I think a better idea would be to establish guidelines for behaviour in the chat. This is purely an idea, but the following might do some good. Again, just my thoughts.
1) Establishing a group of players to field concerns from other players. I'm not talking an Aerie Peak gestapo, but rather dedicated individuals on the server who can take into consideration concerns that players have about the conduct of individuals. The roles of those volunteering would be similar to guild officers.
2) Issuing warnings - if a player in the AP chat is being offensive, abusive, racist, etc., take a screenshot(s) of the event to document it, and send it to one of the "officers". The officers could then give the player in question an opportunity to explain themselves, and give them a warning, that upon the next incident, a ban will be issued.
3) If a player continues to misuse the F2P chat, they will be banned.
I know this is a very rough idea, and I'm sure it will have some critics, but I'd like to gauge some opinions on it.
Ferro
Legend
I am all for this. AP H is forming into the most sustainable and long-term f2p community and needs some structure like this. There should be officers that can handle complaints and make decisions like this. For this there need to be 1-2 leaders who can take charge and setup some rules as you described. This will benefit us in the long run and make the community stronger and more numerous.
Ideally new people will be able to gear up fast, join premades and contribute back. This will mean more premades, dungeons, and benefit everyone.
Yde
Worg
How about everyone just try to stick to this:
1. Try not to insult or offend people. Joking is fine, but if someone feels insulted or offended, and you are asked to stop, stop.
2. Try not to argue excessively in chat. Discussion is fine, but if people start to feel annoyed, and you are asked to take it to whispers, take it to whispers. If several people are involved just meet up and take it to /s.
3. Gear is hard to come by with our inability to trade. If you run a dungeon with someone from the community, don't need on BiS gear for their class, unless it's also BiS for you.
4. Be nice to new people and people asking questions. If you have a moment to spare, answer them or direct them to wowhead and TI.
1. Try not to insult or offend people. Joking is fine, but if someone feels insulted or offended, and you are asked to stop, stop.
2. Try not to argue excessively in chat. Discussion is fine, but if people start to feel annoyed, and you are asked to take it to whispers, take it to whispers. If several people are involved just meet up and take it to /s.
3. Gear is hard to come by with our inability to trade. If you run a dungeon with someone from the community, don't need on BiS gear for their class, unless it's also BiS for you.
4. Be nice to new people and people asking questions. If you have a moment to spare, answer them or direct them to wowhead and TI.
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