The Problems With 19s as observed by Apnea

Apnea

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Sit down and have a read boys and girls. This is my observation of the problems with 19s as of current.

Ego. There's way too much nut-flexing and insecurity in this bracket. Everyone is so quick to call everyone else trashbags, only to turn around moments later and create a poll asking for people to vote for them as the best. We have guys running around in every thread posted trying to bring attention to themselves - "Am I good?" "Will I be in your video?" "Will you list me in your next popularity poll?" "Guys look what I did today!" Everyone wants so much to be liked and to be "in", to be remembered as one of the greats. Everyone wants to grasp for that 'of the Horde/Alliance' or 'the Bloodthirsty' title, as apparently only the best of players are worthy of such honors, and they do so at the cost of their fellow players and comrades.

AFKing. This is one of two (or more) things that ruin games without a doubt. How competitive can your team be if half of them AFK the battle at the first sign of a tough fight? Nobody in this bracket wants to lose. "The big names" in the bracket treat every loss like it may be their last breath, and by AFKing the game before losing, they're convinced that they've dodged just one more bullet that might have killed. If the going gets tough, get the hell out of there right? Nobody likes a good fight anymore. I thought this is why we embraced the experience-off brackets, so that pug games could be good fights, back and forth for 25 minutes with an uncertain winner down to the last second. Gone are the days of farming levelers with crap gear for 3 hour games.

Farming. In order to obtain the aforementioned illustrious twink hero title, players have to kill other players. The problem with most that have achieved the title in recent memory is that it has come at the cost of many soured twink experiences for many players. Nobody likes to be farmed. Don't try to justify it, there is no justification. It's low, it's boring, and it hurts the bracket. In the end it equates to a number and achievement that means nothing to almost everyone outside the community. Veteran players should be welcoming and teaching new players, not driving them away in exchange for a few more notches on the Bloodthirsty bedpost. Guild groups looking for competition don't often find it, and an organized semi-premade group of players is going to run over most uncoordinated pugs. Instead of ending this quickly and moving on to the next game in hopes of more competition, the groups exploit this and farm the losing team.

Competition, or lack thereof. There's a severe lack of premade games in this bracket, and most of the veteran players here are quick to say that's the best part of the bracket. There are more than enough people in enough guilds to make premade games happen. This ties in with the bit on egos from above. Nobody likes to lose, so unless guilds are 110% certain they have a polished, amazing team that cannot be beaten, they avoid premade games. There is no room for improvement it seems. It's either show up and win, or leave embarrassed and disband your guild, only to reform under a new name some weeks later. Guilds need to just sack up and play. Lose some games, learn some things. Just play. Only have 8 of your "A-team" available to play? Call up 2 more from the ranks and fill them in. The next Waw Tawent can't rise up if they don't put in the work to get there. The next Saxxon or Dayman could be waiting to shine with some practice. Everyone is so afraid of losing, that they would simply rather not play than be seen losing a premade game.

We're all here for a reason, because the 19 bracket offers us something that 85s don't. It offers community. It's fun to queue into a game and see players and names that you know and recognize and have a good time playing with or against them. It's about fun and competitive pug games, about organizing premades with and against those friends. Win or loss - stop arguing, stop trying to prove that you're better than the guy next to you, stop trying to exploit the bracket for your own benefit and just play. Have fun, enjoy the community and just play damn it. If the bracket carries on as it has been, I don't think there will be much of one to look forward to in the future. I've seen it happen to 2 separate twink brackets. Let's keep this from being the third time charm.
 
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Can't be explained better than this.

What really bothers me about this bracket is people AFKing. Only thing AFKing benefits you in a way, is your win-loss ratio. But really, most players can care less about that. Having a 99% win ratio does not justify how skilled of a player you are, it's what you do in the gulch, that determines that. AFKing, in my opinion, actually makes players look bad. It just shows that you can't handle the current situation you are in. Im not going to lie, but I do AFK for reasons that understandable, like if I have to leave, go eat, etc. Other than that, there should be no reason to AFK.
 
dude I'm in motherfucking WT I've always been in the "in" crowd
again in WT i have the right to AFK when i want to!
again again in WT have the right to farm while circle jerking with my guildies
guilds should be honored to get stomped by us idk why they aren't all lining up for the ass pounding
19 community?!?!?! lol your funny
good read btw i was really bored
 
The majority of this community is composed of insecure emo children. They're just grasping for something to make them feel special in this cold, lonely world. Please donate hks to their cause.
 
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I embody each and every one of these traits. Forgive me, bracket of the 19's, I will strive to be a better tink.
 
Very good said, Gliiese! :)
And to those who don't agree to the post: You're a pest to the bracket.

I also think it's horrible how the "elite" players in this bracket is so close-minded, and being mean to the new players. Instead of meeting them with comments like "gtfo", and "you suck", why don't explain in a respectful manner how this bracket works, which gear they can get, and mention sites like TI where they can learn. Everyone was new once, and you can't expect them to know everything from before.

Also: If you feel like picking on my english, go ahead and show how immature you are :)
Thanks.
 
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>>Ego. There's way too much nut-flexing and insecurity in this bracket. Everyone is so quick to call everyone else trashbags, only to turn around moments later and create a poll asking for people to vote for them as the best. We have guys running around in every thread posted trying to bring attention to themselves - "Am I good?" "Will I be in your video?" "Will you list me in your next popularity poll?" "Guys look what I did today!" Everyone wants so much to be liked and to be "in", to be remembered as one of the greats. Everyone wants to grasp for that 'of the Horde/Alliance' or 'the Bloodthirsty' title, as apparently only the best of players are worthy of such honors, and they do so at the cost of their fellow players and comrades.



This is insecurity not ego! We need more people with healthy egos to make the forums more entertaining
 
great post Gliiese....... The Ego and or insecurity type people I think will always be around though and has always been there. We are now just seeing this on a bigger scale since the cross realm merger. I think the most annoying thing I have seen in the bracket is the guy who begins calling people names in the Gulch because that person may have made a mistake or the person who calls the whole team terrible because the team is not winning, then AFK's out. Constructive criticism is one thing but blatant disrespect is another. Then you have the "Insecurity" type people that jump on the band wagon and begin jumping on the side of the EGO guy and trash talk the guy who made a mistake just so they can fit in. This happens when you have a young generation playing WOW. It's always been this way just on a larger scale now.

I don;t see the bracket completely dying out as new people will always come and play and MOP will most likely liven things up some. Just my take on things.
 
very good said, gliiese! :)
and to those who don't agree to the post: You're a pest to the bracket.

I also think it's horrible how the "elite" players in this bracket is so close-minded, and being mean to the new players. Instead of meeting them with comments like "gtfo", and "you suck", why don't explain in a respectful manner how this bracket works, which gear they can get, and mention sites like ti where they can learn. Everyone was new once, and you can't expect them to know everything from before.

Also: If you feel like picking on my english, go ahead and show how immature you are :)
thanks.
ahem.
 
I agree 100%. Though like Niini said healthy egos are good for the community as long as they're limited in number.

The real question: are you guilty of any of the points you have brought up?
 
This reeks of a Mocha thread without some of the extra colors. Good job identifying issues with which everyone already has familiarity, but nothing will come of it.

see: old Mocha threads that included a lot of chest pounding by lost people but did not result in any change
 
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