10-19 The Official Twink Cup 2016 Thread

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holy wtf how: I just read the main post again, and realized that it is a best of 7 + 1, which is EVEN MORE UNFAIR THAN LAST YEAR'S Bo5 +1. LIKE HELLO? LAST YEAR IT WAS A Bo5 + 1 AND THAT WAS UNFAIR. THIS IS EVEN WORSE. HELLO? @Myrm , @lindenkron , YOU SAID SO YOURSELF THAT YOU COPIED THE FORMAT FROM A Bo7 + 2 STARCRAFT TOURNAMENT, AND THEN JUST MODIFIED IT TO MAKE A SHORTER SERIES, NOT REALIZING THAT GIVING 1/3 of the games required to clinch the title IS LESS OF AN ADVANTAGE THAN GIVING 2/4 of the games required to clinch the title. NOW YOU GUYS HAVE IT SET TO AWARD 1/4 of the games required to clinch the title INSTEAD OF 2/4 of the games required to clinch the title. LIKE HELLO? TEAM? LOGIC? PLEASE? HOW ELSE DO I HAVE TO SPELL IT OUT?

Ill make this very simple for you. Try really hard to see my point here. Utilize some copy and paste and you are golden. That's even easier than failing to copy another tournament's format.
You have two options.

Option 1 - Two Best of 3 Series.
This is the most logical option, because it is the simplest for anyone in existence to understand. No other explanation is needed. The two teams play two bo3 series, double elimination style, kinda like the name of the tournament format.
Example.
Team A is in the winners bracket. Team B is in the losers bracket.
Team A plays team B in a bo3 series.
If team A wins that series, they are the champions.
If team B wins that series, then move to series two.
series two: surprise, they play again! Winner of that series wins the tournament.

Option 2 - A best of 7 + 2 (note: for decently experienced mathematicians only @lindenkron @Conq @Myrm)
The two teams play a best of seven, with the team from the winners bracket given a two game advantage. NOTE: this is absolutely equivalent to option one, just looks flashier for the viewers and one could argue generates more hype. Why, I have no idea.

Math time:
With option 1, Team A needs to win two games (which is one series, thus handing team B their second SERIES loss)to win the tournament. Team B needs to win four games (which is two series) to win the tournament, thus handing team A their FIRST and SECOND series losses of the tournament.

Math in numbers for our illiterate forum members/nwl committee members:
Bo5 + 1 = 1/3 game advantage given = wtf?
Bo7 + 1 = 1/4 game advantage given = wtf??
Bo7 + 2 = 2/4 game advantage given ---> because you know, the team in the winners bracket has lost 0 series, the team in the losers has lost 1 series, which is HALF way to elimination
Bo3, with Bo3 after if needed = 2/4 game advantage given.
Note that because 2/4 = 2/4, we can infer that a Bo7 + 2 is the same as two separate Bo3 series.

Can I make myself any more clear? If anyone from the NWL committee would like to discuss this with me on discord/curse/anything, I would be more than happy to.
 
Laurenti said:
holy wtf how: I just read the main post again, and realized that it is a best of 7 + 1, which is EVEN MORE UNFAIR THAN LAST YEAR'S Bo5 +1. LIKE HELLO? LAST YEAR IT WAS A Bo5 + 1 AND THAT WAS UNFAIR. THIS IS EVEN WORSE. HELLO? @Myrm , @lindenkron , YOU SAID SO YOURSELF THAT YOU COPIED THE FORMAT FROM A Bo7 + 2 STARCRAFT TOURNAMENT, AND THEN JUST MODIFIED IT TO MAKE A SHORTER SERIES, NOT REALIZING THAT GIVING 1/3 of the games required to clinch the title IS LESS OF AN ADVANTAGE THAN GIVING 2/4 of the games required to clinch the title. NOW YOU GUYS HAVE IT SET TO AWARD 1/4 of the games required to clinch the title INSTEAD OF 2/4 of the games required to clinch the title. LIKE HELLO? TEAM? LOGIC? PLEASE? HOW ELSE DO I HAVE TO SPELL IT OUT?

Ill make this very simple for you. Try really hard to see my point here. Utilize some copy and paste and you are golden. That's even easier than failing to copy another tournament's format.
You have two options.

Option 1 - Two Best of 3 Series.
This is the most logical option, because it is the simplest for anyone in existence to understand. No other explanation is needed. The two teams play two bo3 series, double elimination style, kinda like the name of the tournament format.
Example.
Team A is in the winners bracket. Team B is in the losers bracket.
Team A plays team B in a bo3 series.
If team A wins that series, they are the champions.
If team B wins that series, then move to series two.
series two: surprise, they play again! Winner of that series wins the tournament.

Option 2 - A best of 7 + 2 (note: for decently experienced mathematicians only @lindenkron @Conq @Myrm)
The two teams play a best of seven, with the team from the winners bracket given a two game advantage. NOTE: this is absolutely equivalent to option one, just looks flashier for the viewers and one could argue generates more hype. Why, I have no idea.

Math time:
With option 1, Team A needs to win two games (which is one series, thus handing team B their second SERIES loss)to win the tournament. Team B needs to win four games (which is two series) to win the tournament, thus handing team A their FIRST and SECOND series losses of the tournament.

Math in numbers for our illiterate forum members/nwl committee members:
Bo5 + 1 = 1/3 game advantage given = wtf?
Bo7 + 1 = 1/4 game advantage given = wtf??
Bo7 + 2 = 2/4 game advantage given ---> because you know, the team in the winners bracket has lost 0 series, the team in the losers has lost 1 series, which is HALF way to elimination
Bo3, with Bo3 after if needed = 2/4 game advantage given.
Note that because 2/4 = 2/4, we can infer that a Bo7 + 2 is the same as two separate Bo3 series.

Can I make myself any more clear? If anyone from the NWL committee would like to discuss this with me on discord/curse/anything, I would be more than happy to.
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^ Makes it fair.
 
The NWL said:
Enchants, Items and Weapons:
  • Enchant Swapping: Each player is permitted to use up to a maximum of TWO weapon enchants of which one of the choice of enchants must fall under the Offensive Weapon Enchant OR Hybrid Weapon Enchant section of the thread, the other MUST be a weapon enchant that falls under the Defensive Weapon Enchant section of the thread.
  • Healers are NOT limited to any number of weapon enchants and thus are allowed to swap to any weapon enchant as they see fit at any time.
  • No two of the SAME weapon enchants are allowed to be stacked by any class excluding Rogues and Monks. However Monks are NOT permitted to stack Offensive Weapon Enchants EXCLUDING Elemental Force.
  • When a Dual Wielding class/spec swaps to a Defensive Weapon Enchant they are permitted to swap ANY to two Defensive Weapon Enchants allowing them to wield one Defensive Weapon Enchant in each hand.
  • Warriors are permitted to use Crusader.
  • The enchant '+13 Spell Power' to bracers is BANNED.
  • Brewmaster and Windwalker Monks are allowed to wield ONE Landslide weapon or Berserking Weapon enchant. The off-hand weapon enchant must be Elemental force or any passive stat increasing enchant ONLY.
  • Retribution Paladins are permitted to use Crusader.
  • Flintlocke's Woodchucker and Gnomish X-Ray scope are ALLOWED.
  • Loot obtained through Satchel of Helpful Goods with a 35 or higher item level is BANNED.
  • Toys, any items in bags or anything other than Healthstones, Bandages and Battle Standards are BANNED.
  • Any items that require you to be level 20 or higher to obtain is BANNED.
  • Excluding Fishing Hat with enchants (listed in the Legal Head Enchants section) - ALL Head enchants that are NO LONGER OBTAINABLE are BANNED.
  • All Leg Enchants that are NO LONGER OBTAINABLE are BANNED.
  • All Shoulder Enchants that are NO LONGER OBTAINABLE are BANNED.
Obtainable Items/Enchants are considered to be Items/Enchants that are still obtainable within the game through methods such as Purchasing from a Vendor, the Auction House or Craftable by Profession in this current patch (6.2.4).
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You'd probably need to reconsider this. http://xpoff.com/threads/new-meta-hipster-specs-viable-again.67850/
 
Why is THeNWL staff receiving so much bullshit right now ? Like wake up, they are the ones hosting the tourney. We made discussions about allowing and not allowing GFd chants such as 13 sp, its gone. They are humans as well, like wtf. All i see here is you should have thought of this, of that. I very much think most of the things are discussed within the staff.

Take down the bullshit and be more objective, in what you want or do not want, and give reasons.
 
LennywBT said:
Why is THeNWL staff receiving so much bullshit right now ? Like wake up, they are the ones hosting the tourney. We made discussions about allowing and not allowing GFd chants such as 13 sp, its gone. They are humans as well, like wtf. All i see here is you should have thought of this, of that. I very much think most of the things are discussed within the staff.

Take down the bullshit and be more objective, in what you want or do not want, and give reasons.
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I have stated them clearly, hopefully we will see 2 Bo5s.
 
LennywBT said:
Why is THeNWL staff receiving so much bullshit right now ? Like wake up, they are the ones hosting the tourney. We made discussions about allowing and not allowing GFd chants such as 13 sp, its gone. They are humans as well, like wtf. All i see here is you should have thought of this, of that. I very much think most of the things are discussed within the staff.

Take down the bullshit and be more objective, in what you want or do not want, and give reasons.
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The feedback might be a little offensive, but it's probably because of three things:
1. 70% of all the problems with the ruleset were discussed last year as well, people are tired of it
2. And they're tired of the committee seemingly not listening to the fact that the format of the finals are not fair
3. Fancy is 85% retarded
 
Snack said:
The feedback might be a little offensive, but it's probably because of three things:
1. 70% of all the problems with the ruleset were discussed last year as well, people are tired of it
2. And they're tired of the committee seemingly not listening to the fact that the format of the finals are not fair
3. Fancy is 85% moronic
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id say best of 7+1 is a happy medium between a bo5 with game advantage and double best of 5 with reset
 
Muskie said:
id say best of 7+1 is a happy medium between a bo5 with game advantage and double best of 5 with reset
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Thing is if you have seen neaps video lindenkron brought up some great points, having an advantage is retarded ie having and advantage game wise. But it is still unfair for the winners bracket whom put a large amount of effort in to not drop a single series. Which is why 2 x Bo5 is one of the most fair and enjoyable viewing options.

If winners bracket wins, it takes them 3 games to win overall. If the losers bracket is strong enough to strive through, they will win the two series. I think any kind of extra win is retarded. But the winners bracket losing their life instantly is worse.
 
The finals are the finals. No need for second chances at that point. Sudden death and all that. Giving the winner's bracket team an extra win to start with is ample compensation.
 
Dorigon said:
The finals are the finals. No need for second chances at that point. Sudden death and all that. Giving the winner's bracket team an extra win to start with is ample compensation.
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Then the name double elimination isn't deserved.
 
Fancy said:
Then the name double elimination isn't deserved.
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The name doesn't matter, lol. Who cares about the name? It's the format that matters. If it was clarified as double elimination with a modified single elimination finals round, would that make everything better?
 
Dorigon said:
The name doesn't matter, lol. Who cares about the name? It's the format that matters. If it was clarified as double elimination with a modified single elimination finals round, would that make everything better?
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Might as well copy the league of legends format where every team goes against each other twice and their scores determine weather they going into semifinals. But ofc they have 16 teams so it would be much much faster.
 
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