Thank You TC Organizers - Love BTB

[anatomyx]

Im sorry but if you watched our games vs HARVEST you would know that we were not out at all at this point in the game, as we like to stall for stacks and try to get an fc kill with boomie/rogue. At the point he was on the stump, he was at 8 stacks and GSC was up 1-0. My rogue trillium was there trying to get up for at least two minutes, not being able to get up, and I was stealthed there waiting for an opener with our FC safe by our tunnel behind our team. If my rogue was able to open, the entire outcome could have changed.

But regardless, I know this is a lost cause and the decision has already been made. I'd just like to reiterate everything the Cipe said in the original post. Thanks to Myrm, HB, the streamers and commentators, and finally my team. It was a a blast playing with you all and I plan to keep the guild around as long as possible. Good luck to all the teams still playing.

the secret mid strat never outlined how to counter this. RIP

Yeah, to be honest I skimmed the vod before my post (I was playing against HARVEST during the time your games vs. GSC actually happened) and saw 3-0 the first match, then I guess I clicked a little too far into the vod but I saw 2-0 for GSC when the guy was on top of the stump. Went back and looked again and found he did it when it was only 1-0 as well, my mistake.

Regardless of that my opinion doesn't change though, I don't think they should be DQ'd, simply replaying the series (if BTB wants to) is definitely the most fair option.

 

[Rhaen]

If my rogue was able to open, the entire outcome could have changed.

biased view here but...
The FC jumps off the Stump and Displaces closer to his teammates (which is now on cooldown). You guys then decide to open on him and he doesnt drop below 80% even with no displacer up. I don't believe the outcome would have changed. Mid required to be more offensive to actually put pressure on the FC.

The decision is up to Myrm but DQing a team over somethign which was previously allowed makes no sense. Sadly in tournaments rules are gunna be pushed and it's up to Myrm to decide.

 

[Myrm]

At the time this was a legal jump but it will be outlawed for the rest of the games. Personally I was rooting for btb but the rules are pretty clear that all stump jumps are legal unless they can only be reached using class abilities, goblin jump or toys.

 

[Loveshack]

biased view here but...
The FC jumps off the Stump and Displaces closer to his teammates (which is now on cooldown). You guys then decide to open on him and he doesnt drop below 80% even with no displacer up. I don't believe the outcome would have changed.

Look, to be honest im not here to fight it. Cipe, me, and all of BtB are just here saying thank you to everyone involved. There is no doubting GSC had been outplaying us up until that point, but I just wish it didn't come to this. Like I said before, thank you to everyone and goodluck for the rest of the teams!

 

[Cipe]

To be honest if GSC gets removed from the tournament because of this that's really dumb

No offense to BTB but GSC was just dominating those matches. If anything penalize them by removing their wins and replay the series, don't eject them from the tournament when it's VERY clear that they had the 2nd game won regardless of jumping on top of that stump.

It would be disgusting to see a very strong team get DQ'd for something that realistically had nothing to do with the outcome of the match.

They dominated the first game. Just like HARVEST 'dominated' the first game against us. The same situation could have happened with GSC as it did with HARVEST. No one knows because of the incident. No one on our team has been pushing on TI for GSC to be booted, forfeit the game/series or for us to replay the series. We have just been waiting for the official ruling, and once it was made we said our thanks.

I'm not sure if people actually think this is the sole reason that Gsc won the game or not, but this jump really isn't amazing or anything.
If you actually pushed Gsc in mid the FC would be forced to drop and i'm sure otherteams would and will take advantage of that in the future

People said it was impossible for Trillium to get up ontop of the Stump without being knocked out of stealth which is the exact same concept as gauntleting

It states in the rules that Stump jumps are allowed "All tunnel, fence, and stump jumps are going to be allowed" - Myrm

PS. When jumps were being discussed I was strongly against them, but as it stands those are the rules and Stump jumps are legal

No one is saying this is the sole reason. But as most twinks know, every play in the gulch has a pretty major impact. And gauntleting is much different because when you gauntlet you can still push through the team and you dont have to hit any jumps. You can gauntlet a bunch of different areas on the map, roof is just usually the best. With this stump jump, theres only one way to get to it and it can be prevented if the BM is throwing barrels. It is also race/class specific. Andddddd, if we knew about this jump before the TC started it would have been banned, as it has just been banned now.

Yeah, to be honest I skimmed the vod before my post (I was playing against HARVEST during the time your games vs. GSC actually happened) and saw 3-0 the first match, then I guess I clicked a little too far into the vod but I saw 2-0 for GSC when the guy was on top of the stump. Went back and looked again and found he did it when it was only 1-0 as well, my mistake.

Regardless of that my opinion doesn't change though, I don't think they should be DQ'd, simply replaying the series (if BTB wants to) is definitely the most fair option.

Well you may have skipped 2-3 pretty intense games. One of which we beat HARVEST and the other one came down to the last minute and we unfortunately lost with about 20 seconds left.

biased view here but...
The FC jumps off the Stump and Displaces closer to his teammates (which is now on cooldown). You guys then decide to open on him and he doesnt drop below 80% even with no displacer up. I don't believe the outcome would have changed. Mid required to be more offensive to actually put pressure on the FC.

The decision is up to Myrm but DQing a team over somethign which was previously allowed makes no sense. Sadly in tournaments rules are gunna be pushed and it's up to Myrm to decide.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c

We also couldn't open until he jumped down. That changed the outcome, and we did have momentum going into that. It's w/e at this point.

Overall, I was just here to say my thanks. Just like last year, I had a blast playing.

 

[Rusks]

things like this are why i said the jumps video wasnt good enough. anyway sad to see btb eliminated hopefully next year the secret mid strat can be fully implemented

 

[bigmoran]

I voiced my opinion on jumps the other day on stream. Personally I think its a cheesy way to play, but as long as they are within the rules its entirely within the discretion of the players as to whether they will use them. That being said, I hope that jumps have no effect on the outcome of today's games. Good luck, boys and girls.

 

[Cipe]

I voiced my opinion on jumps the other day on stream. Personally I think its a cheesy way to play, but as long as they are within the rules its entirely within the discretion of the players as to whether they will use them. That being said, I hope that jumps have no effect on the outcome of today's games. Good luck, boys and girls.

Thank you for being so professional yesterday. You did a great job commentating. Good luck tonight, bud #SkillRatio

 

[Bacon]

With this stump jump, theres only one way to get to it and it can be prevented if the BM is throwing barrels. It is also race/class specific. Andddddd, if we knew about this jump before the TC started it would have been banned, as it has just been

If anyone uses this against a strong team they will easily push the team back to the gy and the fc will be forced to drop,
There's your counterplay

Also the jump had little outcome on the game at all and hopefully people are smart enough to see that

 

[Cipe]

If anyone uses this against a strong team they will easily push the team back to the gy and the fc will be forced to drop,
There's your counterplay

Also the jump had little outcome on the game at all and hopefully people are smart enough to see that

I'm sorry, but that argument is retarded. I'm pretty done talking about this, but yeah I'm sure if it was SR vs GSC or WFS vs GSC then the stump jump wouldn't matter. But the fact of the matter is that we are BTB and it DID matter for us. We couldn't wipe them in mid so we had to use other strategies. Just because our team couldn't win mid doesn't mean we are a worse team. The first game they didn't run a rogue and we did. They rolled us that game, but the second game they did run a rogue and a destro and we were able to make it a much more competitive game.

Not every team has the strongest mid, and teams that don't, use other strategies. A prime example is HARVEST. They have a really solid team. They don't have the strongest mid, but the surely make up for it with their leadership and strat calling. That is what makes them so great and well respected. The meta is mid, but that doesn't mean if you cant win mid you should just give up. The facts are 1) the stump is now banned 2) It is race specific 3) If you don't have 20% speed chants it can't be done by even more races.

The outcome of the game would have been different if that jump was banned. It as a 1-0 game with 4-6 minutes left. That is plenty of time for us to cap and win, and it is also plenty of time for GSC to cap and make it a 2-0 game.

Lastly, you were not in our call so you have no idea what the impact of that stump was for us.

 

[Bacon]

I'm sorry, but that argument is retarded. I'm pretty done talking about this, but yeah I'm sure if it was SR vs GSC or WFS vs GSC then the stump jump wouldn't matter. But the fact of the matter is that we are BTB and it DID matter for us. We couldn't wipe them in mid so we had to use other strategies. Just because our team couldn't win mid doesn't mean we are a worse team. The first game they didn't run a rogue and we did. They rolled us that game, but the second game they did run a rogue and a destro and we were able to make it a much more competitive game.

Not every team has the strongest mid, and teams that don't, use other strategies. A prime example is HARVEST. They have a really solid team. They don't have the strongest mid, but the surely make up for it with their leadership and strat calling. That is what makes them so great and well respected. The meta is mid, but that doesn't mean if you cant win mid you should just give up. The facts are 1) the stump is now banned 2) It is race specific 3) If you don't have 20% speed chants it can't be done by even more races.

The outcome of the game would have been different if that jump was banned. It as a 1-0 game with 4-6 minutes left. That is plenty of time for us to cap and win, and it is also plenty of time for GSC to cap and make it a 2-0 game.

Lastly, you were not in our call so you have no idea what the impact of that stump was for us.

We would have just went to gauntlet too, which would have had to exact same impact the stump had, maybe if you spent less time raging in broadcasts and actually focused on the game etc. the outcome could have been different but realistically you were never going to beat GSC so at the end of the day it really doesn't matter, all this proves is that you are a sore loser and I hope people don't associate this with BTB as only Cipe and a few others are being salty atm

 

[Cipe]

We would have just went to gauntlet too, which would have had to exact same impact the stump had, maybe if you spent less time raging in broadcasts and actually focused on the game etc. the outcome could have been different but realistically you were never going to beat GSC so at the end of the day it really doesn't matter, all this proves is that you are a sore loser and I hope people don't associate this with BTB as only Cipe and a few others are being salty atm

I sent two broadcasts lol. One saying "that's bs" when GSC afk'd out. The other being "illegal jump" when GSC's FC was on stump. I did that to get let people know what we were thinking at that exact moment. It's a lot quicker than messaging everyone individually. Maybe we never would have beat them, but there's also the chance that we could have. We don't know because of the stump jump. I'm not salty, I'm just sticking up for my guild.

And you sure are right. I sure am a sore loser for taking the loss, for not trying to get you dq'd and for not pushing for a win in the series. Please think before you talk. I have no idea if you play on GSC, or if you're just a fan boy, but I don't think many people think I'm salty. If anything you're being salty about all of this. Have a good day, sir.

 

[Conq]

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